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In reply to the discussion: Thorium vehicle will run 100 years on 8 grams of fuel [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,984 posts)24. Does anyone have the faintest idea what process is being claimed here?
I have no idea why firing a laser at thorium would release huge amounts of energy, allowing you to power the laser to continue to fire it, and push the car too. Neither does this guy, who tried some calculations just to justify the '8 grams' claim:
Uranium in a reactor produces about 20 terajoules of energy per kilogram. For comparison, gasoline gives you about 48 megajoules per kilogram. That means uranium gives us about 425,000 more power per kilogram than gas. Lets assume thorium will give us roughly the same ratio. That means one gram of thorium would be like 425 kg of gas. Gas has a density of about 2.7 kg per US gallon, so that 425 kg of gas is equivalent to 156 gallons.
Thats way short of Stevenss claim of 1 gm of thorium being equivalent to 7,500 gallons of gas. For that to be true, his laser-induced power output has to be fifty times more energy efficient than nuclear fission. That is an extraordinary claim, to put it mildly, and hes offered no proof and precious few details.
Looking through his other claims, it sounds as if he glued together actual science together as if making a collage for kindergarten, regardless of whether the results made sense or not. You could in theory make an actual thorium laser, though thats not what hes doing. You can use a particle accelerator to drive a nuclear reaction by knocking neutrons out of other particles, though again thats not what Stevens is doing despite him adding accelerator-driven to the description of his process. You can even induce nuclear reactions using super-powerful lasers, but Stevens says hes not inducing fission.
So to sum up: Stevens isnt claiming to have made a nuclear-powered car. Hes claiming to have made a steam-powered car where the steam is heated up when he shines a laser on thorium. I dont know of any physical process that would let you get more heat energy out of the thorium than youd spend on making the laser go. For his process to be so awesome that it would power a car for some 200,000 miles on a single gram of thorium, hed have had to come up with something thats fifty times more powerful than a nuclear reactor. And he hasnt released any papers, only press releases. Thats 3 out of 3 red flags for the research not being real.
http://granades.com/2011/09/16/in-which-i-use-scientific-reasoning-to-doubt-the-thorium-powered-car/
Thats way short of Stevenss claim of 1 gm of thorium being equivalent to 7,500 gallons of gas. For that to be true, his laser-induced power output has to be fifty times more energy efficient than nuclear fission. That is an extraordinary claim, to put it mildly, and hes offered no proof and precious few details.
Looking through his other claims, it sounds as if he glued together actual science together as if making a collage for kindergarten, regardless of whether the results made sense or not. You could in theory make an actual thorium laser, though thats not what hes doing. You can use a particle accelerator to drive a nuclear reaction by knocking neutrons out of other particles, though again thats not what Stevens is doing despite him adding accelerator-driven to the description of his process. You can even induce nuclear reactions using super-powerful lasers, but Stevens says hes not inducing fission.
So to sum up: Stevens isnt claiming to have made a nuclear-powered car. Hes claiming to have made a steam-powered car where the steam is heated up when he shines a laser on thorium. I dont know of any physical process that would let you get more heat energy out of the thorium than youd spend on making the laser go. For his process to be so awesome that it would power a car for some 200,000 miles on a single gram of thorium, hed have had to come up with something thats fifty times more powerful than a nuclear reactor. And he hasnt released any papers, only press releases. Thats 3 out of 3 red flags for the research not being real.
http://granades.com/2011/09/16/in-which-i-use-scientific-reasoning-to-doubt-the-thorium-powered-car/
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I think for the next 100 years or so it is going to be mostly manned/unmanned craft
johnd83
Nov 2013
#10
That's if your concern is momentum per unit energy; but often it's not, in rockets
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#43
Well, yes, that's the point - you use nuclear power, or solar (ie external)
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#45
Does anyone have the faintest idea what process is being claimed here?
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#24
I'll try to post on it later - basically, you can increase decay rate by jiggling it with a laser
bananas
Nov 2013
#33