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PamW

(1,825 posts)
40. 100% WRONG!!!
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:03 AM
Nov 2013

johnd83,

I have NO ANGLE, and EVERYTHING I have said is 100% CORRECT

You have to separate the claims of anti-nuke "experts" and true scientist experts like myself. It's not easy to know the difference. GE had some disgruntled employees that made wildly INACCURATE claims about the GE reactors that real scientist know about and discredit. However, that doesn't stop the media from presenting those people as "experts". ( I find Lochbaum not credible in the slightest. ) Additionally, it is a judgement call. There are some issues with Boeing 737 airliners that I don't like; but are they bad enough to ground all 737s? Also there have been modifications to the Mark I in the USA to CORRECT some of the issues raised. US Mark I reactor were REQUIRED to implement those changes; like a hardened vent to vent off hydrogen gas to prevent explosions like at Fukushima. The Japanese plants didn't make those modifications, and weren't required to.

I said the GE reactor itself and its containment is well designed for what it is supposed to do.

In regards to Fukushima, I said the support equipment was badly designed. The reactor and containment can only work as well as the support equipment that they rely on. An example is the diesel generator backup power. The Fukushima reactors had the diesels in a non-watertight basement; and the fuel tank was open and above ground. NEITHER would be legal in the USA. The diesels have to be protected from flooding, as must the fuel tanks.

I first heard about this back in 1978 when I attended the conference of the American Nuclear Society in Washington DC. I was still a doctoral student at the time. I was speaking to a young GE engineer at the conference. As I was looking to begin my own career, I asked this young engineer what the most difficult part of his job was. He stated that it was "...getting the customer to listen to me." He was on assignment in Japan as GE was building a new reactor unit for TEPCO. I asked for an example. He told me he recommended burying the fuel tank so that it would not be washed away by a tsunami. I said that sounded reasonable, and inquired why TEPCO would balk at that. He said, "Probably because that would mean they would have to bury the tanks for the other 5 reactors at the site".

It turned out he was assigned to the building of Fukushima Diachi Unit 6.

So I've known since 1978 that if a tsunami were to hit Fukushima; that the diesel fuel tanks were unprotected. The owner TEPCO was warned; but REFUSED to follow the advice of the reactor vendor GE.

In the USA, the NRC would NEVER have allowed such a plant to operate; it would be in VIOLATION of NRC rules.

The real villain here is NOT nuclear power technology, and it's NOT GE ( although some like to disparage GE for what reason I don't know ); but TEPCO and their penny-pinching on a nuclear installation, and the LAX oversight of the Japanese regulators is certainly has my highest opprobrium.

I'm unapologetically pro-nuke; and TEPCO and their regulators SOILED a very respectable safety record for GE reactors. So I'm not going to "cover-up" anything for the likes of TEPCO and their regulators. I'm MAD at them.

But at the same time; there's a LOT of dishonest and loose MISINFORMATION about this; like criticality in pools of corium; and I won't allow bad science to go unchallenged.

PamW

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Won't take long for CFLDem Nov 2013 #1
Sorry, but bunk johnd83 Nov 2013 #2
100% WRONG!! PamW Nov 2013 #5
I think you misunderstand my point johnd83 Nov 2013 #7
100% WRONG PamW Nov 2013 #16
The thorium reactors use a particle accelerator johnd83 Nov 2013 #17
WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #20
There is plenty of water to moderate neutrons in a damaged reactor johnd83 Nov 2013 #25
Reactor Physics 101 PamW Nov 2013 #29
The other advantage of thorium is the decay products become inert much faster johnd83 Nov 2013 #30
Actually it is NOT a huge assumption... PamW Nov 2013 #35
I still don't understand your point johnd83 Nov 2013 #36
Criticality in non-operating - but NOT in melted. PamW Nov 2013 #39
You are 100% WRONG johnd83 Nov 2013 #38
100% WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #40
Yes, I was going to remark about the five ton engine it would take Warpy Nov 2013 #27
I want a nuclear vacuum cleaner! longship Nov 2013 #3
Those are different technologies johnd83 Nov 2013 #4
Yup! They are talking about a Sterling engine now. longship Nov 2013 #6
The Voyager spacecraft only hase a few hundred watts of power johnd83 Nov 2013 #8
Voyager has shut down its cameras. Long ago. longship Nov 2013 #9
I think for the next 100 years or so it is going to be mostly manned/unmanned craft johnd83 Nov 2013 #10
Fusion, unfortunately, is probably a long way off. longship Nov 2013 #11
Fusion power is not really that far off johnd83 Nov 2013 #12
But the technology is not yet practical. longship Nov 2013 #13
The technology I linked to is a magnetic containment plasma system johnd83 Nov 2013 #14
Yes! And I've heard of another in Europe. longship Nov 2013 #15
Correct. PamW Nov 2013 #22
Fusion propulsion is a lot easier than electricity generation bananas Nov 2013 #18
If you're going to use it for propulsion, yes. longship Nov 2013 #19
Not quite... PamW Nov 2013 #21
I never said that one would get to light speeds. longship Nov 2013 #23
Look at momentum per unit energy PamW Nov 2013 #41
Thanks. longship Nov 2013 #42
That's if your concern is momentum per unit energy; but often it's not, in rockets muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #43
Let's examine TOTAL mass.. PamW Nov 2013 #44
Well, yes, that's the point - you use nuclear power, or solar (ie external) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #45
IF Polywell Fusion works VASIMIR is DOA FogerRox Nov 2013 #46
Does anyone have the faintest idea what process is being claimed here? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #24
I didn't get that either johnd83 Nov 2013 #26
"And he hasn’t released any papers, only press releases." arcane1 Nov 2013 #28
I'll try to post on it later - basically, you can increase decay rate by jiggling it with a laser bananas Nov 2013 #33
Finally found a somewhat relevant hit bananas Nov 2013 #34
Thanks - that gives us a theory that the laser is relevant muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #37
Oh, I agree, it's as credible as his "USEING HELYXZION TECHNOLOGY WE CAN CURE “ALL” DISEASE" bananas Nov 2013 #48
I forgot that one. kristopher Nov 2013 #49
Not the faintest. FogerRox Nov 2013 #47
It won't work, period. NNadir Nov 2013 #31
Why, Are we still thinking in individual cars, individual propulsion systems, ... CRH Nov 2013 #32
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