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LouisvilleDem

(303 posts)
5. Wow
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 04:08 AM
Nov 2013

I've been lurking around this board for several months now, and I've read a fair number of your posts, but I had no idea you were such a pessimist. You are entitled to think what you want of course, but I am glad that most environmentalists don't think like you do. I'm glad that most of us can see the good things that we have accomplished over the years. Granted, most of the successes have been in the developed world, and it definitely looks like China and India are going to repeat the same mistakes Europe and the US made along the road to economic prosperity, but to say we've "done nothing" is simply not true. In the US and Europe the air and water are cleaner now than they were 50 years ago. We've cleaned up toxic waste dumps and banned and/or regulated the really harmful stuff like DDT. We've placed millions of acres of forest under government protection and brought several species back from the brink of extinction. These are not trivial accomplishments. They took years of hard work and I think its shameful that you trivialize the efforts of those that made them happen.

Finally, and I know this is a bit of heresy, I think you have to admit that the environmentalist community has a habit of exaggerating many problems in order to spur political and social action. I don't blame the people that engage in that sort of rhetoric, because the bottom line is that it works. However, don't believe everything our side has to say. I mean, if you just look at our track record of predicting horrible things that never happen it's a bit mixed. Hello, The Population Bomb anyone?

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Denial wears many faces. [View all] GliderGuider Nov 2013 OP
To quote my favorite Engineering Project Leader Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #1
Smart man! nt GliderGuider Nov 2013 #2
So unless we throw up our hands and admit defeat... LouisvilleDem Nov 2013 #3
If you think renewables are a good and interesting idea, you're not necessarily in denial. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #4
Wow LouisvilleDem Nov 2013 #5
Call it the anger of a trust betrayed. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #6
And you call us the deniers? LouisvilleDem Nov 2013 #19
I don't argue with people who dismiss Ehrlich. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #21
That's perfectly understandable LouisvilleDem Nov 2013 #23
You might have noticed the pronuclear/anti-environmentalist campaign that's underway? kristopher Nov 2013 #9
Rumbled! GliderGuider Nov 2013 #10
That's an odd question, coming from you. kristopher Nov 2013 #11
Nice dodge. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #12
Yes, your truthiness tactic was a nice try, but obvious as hell. kristopher Nov 2013 #13
I understand why you're a little sensitive on this one. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #15
I am the pro nuclear shill on this forum. Quit stepping on my brand, man phantom power Nov 2013 #16
You'll get your cut, dude. Don't get yer knickers in a twist... GliderGuider Nov 2013 #17
Not just the collapse of civ threatens to produce nuclear catastrophe - there's Stuxnet too GliderGuider Nov 2013 #14
Problem with you glider is you're a realist, and reality sucks, ... CRH Nov 2013 #7
Thanks. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #8
The full essay is now posted on my web site. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #18
Works for me, ... CRH Nov 2013 #20
Don't let it cloud your wah pscot Nov 2013 #22
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