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In reply to the discussion: Sacrificing the desert to save the Earth [View all]bananas
(27,509 posts)14. You really don't seem to understand what's happening: "Dust-Bowlification"
You ooh and aah over changes in arctic sea ice,
but you seem to think the desert is just staying the same.
It's not.
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/26/353997/nature-dust-bowlification-food-insecurity/
Nature Publishes My Piece on Dust-Bowlification and the Grave Threat It Poses to Food Security
By Joe Romm on Oct 26, 2011
<snip>
The journal Nature asked me to write a Comment piece after they read one of my posts on prolonged drought and Dust-Bowlification.
<snip>
I do not believe that most Americans and that includes most policymakers and the media understand the convergence of the recent scientific literature on the extreme threat posed directly to this country of Dust-Bowlification.
During the last Dust Bowl era, hundreds of thousands of American families fled the impacted regions. Now, those same type of arid conditions could stretch all the way from Kansas to California within the next forty years.
<snip>
I used to call the confluence of these processes desertification on my blog, ClimateProgress.org, until some readers pointed out that many deserts are high in biodiversity, which isnt where were heading. Dust- bowlification is perhaps a more accurate and vivid term, particularly for Americans many of whom still believe that climate change will only affect far-away places in far-distant times.
<snip>
What does the future look like? Dai laid it out in a 2010 study from the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Drought under global warming: a review, the best review and analysis on the subject Ive seen see the figure below (click to enlarge, a reading of -4 or below is considered extreme drought):
<snip>
The PDSI (Palmer Drought Severity Index) in the Great Plains during the Dust Bowl apparently spiked very briefly to -6, but otherwise rarely exceeded -3 for the decade
<snip>
The National Center for Atmospheric Research notes By the end of the century, many populated areas, including parts of the United States, could face readings in the range of -8 to -10, and much of the Mediterranean could fall to -15 to -20. Such readings would be almost unprecedented.
<snip>
For the record, the NCAR study merely models the IPCCs moderate A1B scenario atmospheric concentrations of CO2 around 520 ppm in 2050 and 700 in 2100. Were currently on the A1F1 pathway, which would takes us to 1000 ppm by centurys end
<snip>
Nature Publishes My Piece on Dust-Bowlification and the Grave Threat It Poses to Food Security
By Joe Romm on Oct 26, 2011
<snip>
The journal Nature asked me to write a Comment piece after they read one of my posts on prolonged drought and Dust-Bowlification.
<snip>
I do not believe that most Americans and that includes most policymakers and the media understand the convergence of the recent scientific literature on the extreme threat posed directly to this country of Dust-Bowlification.
During the last Dust Bowl era, hundreds of thousands of American families fled the impacted regions. Now, those same type of arid conditions could stretch all the way from Kansas to California within the next forty years.
<snip>
I used to call the confluence of these processes desertification on my blog, ClimateProgress.org, until some readers pointed out that many deserts are high in biodiversity, which isnt where were heading. Dust- bowlification is perhaps a more accurate and vivid term, particularly for Americans many of whom still believe that climate change will only affect far-away places in far-distant times.
<snip>
What does the future look like? Dai laid it out in a 2010 study from the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Drought under global warming: a review, the best review and analysis on the subject Ive seen see the figure below (click to enlarge, a reading of -4 or below is considered extreme drought):
<snip>
The PDSI (Palmer Drought Severity Index) in the Great Plains during the Dust Bowl apparently spiked very briefly to -6, but otherwise rarely exceeded -3 for the decade
<snip>
The National Center for Atmospheric Research notes By the end of the century, many populated areas, including parts of the United States, could face readings in the range of -8 to -10, and much of the Mediterranean could fall to -15 to -20. Such readings would be almost unprecedented.
<snip>
For the record, the NCAR study merely models the IPCCs moderate A1B scenario atmospheric concentrations of CO2 around 520 ppm in 2050 and 700 in 2100. Were currently on the A1F1 pathway, which would takes us to 1000 ppm by centurys end
<snip>
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They aren't "sacrificing the desert" - the deserts are growing - because of global warming.
bananas
Feb 2012
#2
In the article it says that a land area as big as LA, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties
XemaSab
Feb 2012
#5
The historical Dust Bowl was due to a combination of drought and breaking up the topsoil
XemaSab
Feb 2012
#17
Hopelessly flailing against the very solution to the global warming problem still I see.
txlibdem
Feb 2012
#18
So we should destroy people's homes and livelihoods before relocating a turtle to another place?
txlibdem
Feb 2012
#33
It's too bad there aren't any big, flattish, unused, sunny surfaces in cities.
LeftyMom
Feb 2012
#35
That's why residents of those cities can put up solar panels... just don't bulldoze their homes
txlibdem
Feb 2012
#57
“…they represent but a pin prick compared to the scale of solar thermal plus solar PV that we need…”
OKIsItJustMe
Feb 2012
#54
The scale is massive, yes, but no more massive than other projects we have built
txlibdem
Feb 2012
#20
Yet even a small change to their environment will spell certain peril for their species
txlibdem
Feb 2012
#26
And how many square miles of land will be yielded uninhabitable by a solar accident?
OKIsItJustMe
Feb 2012
#27