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PamW

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31. It's more complicated than that...
Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

zeemike,

As a scientist, I knew you weren't a scientist because you are just adding up the amount of radioactive material.

No question; there's a lot of radioactive material there. The thing that you and scientifically INCOMPETENT groups like the Physicians for Social Responsibility are missing; is "how mobile are those radioactive materials".

Most of the radioactive materials are trapped in the ceramic fuel. They are like color pigments in glass. When ever I explain this, I think of some lovely blue glasses that my brother and I got for free at the soda counter of the local drug store near where we grew up.

Those glasses are blue because of blue pigment in the glass. When we pick up those glasses, even when wet; do you think we get blue pigment on our hands? NOPE!! The blue pigment is locked inside the glass; and unless the glass melts or is dissolved, or some other method; the blue pigment is trapped inside.

The SAME is true for that radioactive material. It is trapped inside the fuel ceramic. In order of the radioactive material to get out; the ceramic would have to melt. However, much of that spent fuel is so old that the radioactivity has subsided to the point where it doesn't have enough energy to melt the fuel. So the radioactive material that is in the ceramic will be trapped.

Now some of the radioactive material when it was created as fast moving material recoiling from a fission, came to rest in the thin annular gap between the fuel and the inside diameter of the zirconium cladding tube. If the zirconium cladding tube is broken; then that small amount of fission gas can certainly escape.

However, the vast majority of the radioactive material is trapped in ceramic that isn't "hot" enough to melt even if is taken out of water. This is like the fuel that can be put into dry casks; they don't need to have to be submerged in coolant because the heat generation has died down so much over the years they've been out of the reactor.

So the amount of radioactivity is only PART of the story. The other part is how much of that radioactive material can escape being trapped in the ceramic.

Because you only referenced the amount and not the mobility; that was what tipped me off that you are NOT a scientist.

The good thing about science is that it is true, whether or not you believe in it.

PamW

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Frightful. nt snappyturtle Nov 2013 #1
This terrifies me GladRagDahl Nov 2013 #2
And what'll really get you madokie Nov 2013 #3
:/ GladRagDahl Nov 2013 #16
Bullshit. Nuclear energy saves lives, and all the coal and gas burned to spread paranoid NNadir Nov 2013 #4
Its pretty obvious what is happening in Fukushima today madokie Nov 2013 #5
Let's see, you actually believe that as you put it, that your paranoid nuclear scare stories... NNadir Nov 2013 #17
Yup madokie Nov 2013 #24
Fukushima in PERSPECTIVE courtesy of Berkeley Professor PamW Nov 2013 #18
We'll see won't we madokie Nov 2013 #25
We agree on one thing... PamW Nov 2013 #34
a 16 month old story from the Wall Street Journal? Bennyboy Nov 2013 #27
Muller's article is still timely... PamW Nov 2013 #33
We will see ramapo Nov 2013 #6
Always look on the bright side eh? zeemike Nov 2013 #7
"what if the Pacific is contaminated"? Thor_MN Nov 2013 #10
It is not over the top at all. zeemike Nov 2013 #11
It's OPINION PamW Nov 2013 #20
Add it up...the least of them contains 50 tons. zeemike Nov 2013 #21
It's more complicated than that... PamW Nov 2013 #31
So you are telling us you are a scientist then? zeemike Nov 2013 #36
Think about it.. PamW Nov 2013 #37
"The pool contains 1,533 fuel rod assemblies, 202 of which are fresh" kristopher Nov 2013 #42
OK - let's assume 202 are fresh. PamW Nov 2013 #43
That's the wrong "fresh" FBaggins Nov 2013 #44
Well I have to thank you because you have caused me to read up on it. zeemike Nov 2013 #45
Perspective!!! PamW Nov 2013 #19
Then why did the evacuate the place? zeemike Nov 2013 #22
You've got to be kidding... PamW Nov 2013 #32
Frankly that sounds delusional to me. zeemike Nov 2013 #35
You forgot to attack Amory Lovins. You're losing your edge. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #9
Who is this "World's most predominate climate scientist"? MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #12
If you don't know who James Hansen is... caraher Nov 2013 #14
Ok. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #15
I'm sure TEPCO will accept your volunteer work, then Scootaloo Nov 2013 #26
I have to finish reading this later. liberalla Nov 2013 #8
Considering the fact that we call ourselves "The Master Race", ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #13
Could you provide us with a little background on 'fallout researcher Christina Consolo', ... CRH Nov 2013 #23
Christina Consolo is a fucking ophthalmologist! NickB79 Nov 2013 #28
I thought she invented duct tape miyazaki Nov 2013 #29
Thats all I could find too! ... Oh Well. n/t CRH Nov 2013 #30
Mighty selective head-banging you are engaging in... kristopher Nov 2013 #40
You do have a small point there NickB79 Nov 2013 #41
is ...criticality... really a possibility? quadrature Nov 2013 #38
Criticality is NOT a possibility PamW Nov 2013 #39
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