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In reply to the discussion: "The battle of the energy titans comes down to one great contest: nuclear vs. coal." [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)51. That's a pretty strong accusation for a noob, Bob.
Have you looked at the articles I suggested? They would give you more background on my thinking, though they might not be as accessible to someone with the techno-optimistic leanings you appear to have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation#Carrying_capacity
There is wide variability both in the definition and in the proposed size of the Earth's carrying capacity, with estimates ranging from less than 1 to 1000 billion humans (1 trillion).[85] Around two-thirds of the estimates fall in the range of 4 billion to 16 billion (with unspecified standard errors), with a median of about 10 billion.[86]
In a study titled Food, Land, Population and the U.S. Economy, David Pimentel, professor of ecology and agriculture at Cornell University, and Mario Giampietro, senior researcher at the US National Research Institute on Food and Nutrition (INRAN), estimate the maximum U.S. population for a sustainable economy at 200 million. And in order to achieve a sustainable economy and avert disaster, the United States would have to reduce its population by at least one-third, and world population would have to be reduced by two-thirds.[87]
Some groups (for example, the World Wide Fund for Nature[88][89] and Global Footprint Network[90]) have stated that the carrying capacity for the human population has been exceeded as measured using the Ecological Footprint. In 2006, WWF's "Living Planet Report" stated that in order for all humans to live with the current consumption patterns of Europeans, we would be spending three times more than what the planet can renew.[91] Humanity as a whole was using, by 2006, 40 percent more than what Earth can regenerate.[92]
But critics question the simplifications and statistical methods used in calculating Ecological Footprints. Therefore Global Footprint Network and its partner organizations have engaged with national governments and international agencies to test the results reviews have been produced by France, Germany, the European Commission, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Japan and the United Arab Emirates.[93] Some point out that a more refined method of assessing Ecological Footprint is to designate sustainable versus non-sustainable categories of consumption.[94][95] However, if yield estimates were adjusted for sustainable levels of production, the yield figures would be lower, and hence the overshoot estimated by the Ecological Footprint method even higher.
In a study titled Food, Land, Population and the U.S. Economy, David Pimentel, professor of ecology and agriculture at Cornell University, and Mario Giampietro, senior researcher at the US National Research Institute on Food and Nutrition (INRAN), estimate the maximum U.S. population for a sustainable economy at 200 million. And in order to achieve a sustainable economy and avert disaster, the United States would have to reduce its population by at least one-third, and world population would have to be reduced by two-thirds.[87]
Some groups (for example, the World Wide Fund for Nature[88][89] and Global Footprint Network[90]) have stated that the carrying capacity for the human population has been exceeded as measured using the Ecological Footprint. In 2006, WWF's "Living Planet Report" stated that in order for all humans to live with the current consumption patterns of Europeans, we would be spending three times more than what the planet can renew.[91] Humanity as a whole was using, by 2006, 40 percent more than what Earth can regenerate.[92]
But critics question the simplifications and statistical methods used in calculating Ecological Footprints. Therefore Global Footprint Network and its partner organizations have engaged with national governments and international agencies to test the results reviews have been produced by France, Germany, the European Commission, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Japan and the United Arab Emirates.[93] Some point out that a more refined method of assessing Ecological Footprint is to designate sustainable versus non-sustainable categories of consumption.[94][95] However, if yield estimates were adjusted for sustainable levels of production, the yield figures would be lower, and hence the overshoot estimated by the Ecological Footprint method even higher.
I prefer to advocate for the low end of the range (1 billion or so) because of my Deep Ecology leanings. I think that overshooting that population level since 1800 has seriously damaged the prospects of many - if not most - other species as well as our own.
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"The battle of the energy titans comes down to one great contest: nuclear vs. coal." [View all]
wtmusic
Dec 2011
OP
Where is the scientific analysis that concludes "renewables are...not enough on their own"?
kristopher
Dec 2011
#4
I didn't provide a scientific analysis of the deficiencies inherent in billions of hamster wheels
wtmusic
Dec 2011
#19
Only shills for the nuclear industry say that energy choice is limited to either coal or nukes.
diane in sf
Dec 2011
#6
98.7% of the energy now used by is destroying the future of 100% of life on this planet.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#11
I believe the DoE figure (100 miles × 100 miles) relates to electical needs only
OKIsItJustMe
Dec 2011
#78
Here are articles with a non-mainstream view of various aspects of the global eco-clusterfuck.
GliderGuider
Dec 2011
#26
..reduce energy consumption, material consumption, our numbers and overall activity levels by 85%..
Ghost Dog
Dec 2011
#33
The thing is, oil will become unaffordable a decade or two before the aquifers are depleted.
joshcryer
Dec 2011
#84
Speaking strictly of TVs, your choice of tv can mean up to 70% energy savings (Chart)
txlibdem
Dec 2011
#28