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PamW

(1,825 posts)
51. MORE ERRORS!!!
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 07:44 PM
Nov 2013

First - "Fused" as used in SCIENCE doesn't mean molten.

For example, "Fused Silica" is NOT molten. We're speaking about SCIENCE; then we use the scientific terminology. The fact that the British have a non-standard terminology that is INCONSISTENT with scientific terminology is THEIR problem.

I didn't say the actinide element had to sustain a chain reaction. I just said that it has to be fissioned. Evidently you don't understand that those are NOT the same meaning. I gave the analogy with the incinerator that I guess went over your head. Let's try it again; and put some mental effort into it this time.

Suppose I have a material that is combustible; but won't sustain combustion by itself, or his hard to ignite. Think charcoal briquettes. They are hard to ignite unless you put some kindling material like newspaper, or you soak them with lighter fluid. However, suppose you put those hard to burn briquettes in an incinerator that was fed by gas. The gas fuel keeps the incinerator going; and with that steady flame; the charcoal is eventually going to burn even though it would be hard to start it burning by itself.

If you want to destroy a non-fissile actinide like U-238. Uranium-238 is not fissile but it is fissionable U-238 WILL FISSION if the energy of the neutron is above about 1 MeV. Some of the U-238 in a reactor fissions due to fast neutrons directly from fission. When Enrico Fermi derived the "four factor formula"; one of the factors is the "fast fission factor" to account for fission of U-238:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-factor_formula

U-238 WILL fission if the neutron inducing the fission is over 1 MeV in energy which is why it is called "fissionable".

Nuclear weapons can get a fair amount of their energy from fissioning U-238.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_weapon

The neutrons released by fusion will fission U-238. This U-238 fission reaction produces most of the energy in a typical two-stage thermonuclear weapon.

( You will find the above quoted line just above the bold heading "Fusion" )

So U-238 DOES FISSION; so it can be destroyed in a reactor by fission. The U-238 doesn't have to sustain the neutron production; any more than a combustible material being incinerated in an incinerator doesn't have to keep the incinerator going. The fuel gas does that.

This is so simple. I really find it very hard to explain it unless you put some mental horsepower in. I can explain it to you; but I can't understand it for you.


Please enlighten me how a reactor that is not slated for complete decommission until 2037 has been removed.

Evidently you don't know there were TWO Windscale reactors. There's only ONE now that is slated for 2037.
But where is its TWIN. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

Look at the picture. There were TWO IDENTICAL reactors with twin exhaust towers.

Use Google Earth or Bing Aerial to look at Sellafield now; there is only ONE reactor with that large tower still standing. That is the one that will be dismantled in 2037. But its TWIN has already been dismantled.

GADS - you're British and you DIDN'T KNOW that Sellafield had TWO Windscale reactors.

...and this person claims that I'm the IGNORANT one when it comes to Sellafield.

GEESH!!@!

PamW



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Mother Russia! nt Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #1
Do they have any detailed plans about how they are going to dismantle them in 20 -50 years? intaglio Nov 2013 #2
Nope to the first question. FBaggins Nov 2013 #3
A-a-a-nd where do they bury the high level waste? intaglio Nov 2013 #5
You don't understand... PamW Nov 2013 #6
Absolute and complete rubbish, indeed deliberately misleading intaglio Nov 2013 #10
Do you really not get it? FBaggins Nov 2013 #13
YES!! PamW Nov 2013 #15
So you are saying that long lived radio-isotopes are not present in nuclear waste. intaglio Nov 2013 #16
Nope... I'm not saying that. Nor most of the rest of your imagined statements. FBaggins Nov 2013 #20
This is like pulling teeth.... PamW Nov 2013 #21
So you or your guru are claiming that reprocessing is 100% efficient intaglio Nov 2013 #25
I explained that earlier. PamW Nov 2013 #33
100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Nov 2013 #74
So the Zirconium for the cladding is reprocessed into what exactly? intaglio Nov 2013 #75
In the self-contiained IFR fuel cycle... PamW Nov 2013 #83
Intaglio, I have been reading this Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #26
LIAR LIAR has no links PamW Nov 2013 #32
I would really prefer less accusation of lying Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #40
Scientific ILLITERACY rears its head again!! PamW Nov 2013 #14
Illiterate? intaglio Nov 2013 #17
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #22
Ignoramus intaglio Nov 2013 #28
GEESH PamW Nov 2013 #36
You are unaware of the processes in fused salt reactors intaglio Nov 2013 #45
SPECIFICS??? PamW Nov 2013 #49
If you had anything to do with science intaglio Nov 2013 #50
MORE ERRORS!!! PamW Nov 2013 #51
Is learning new (to you) terminology beyond your capabilities? caraher Nov 2013 #58
U238 will not sustain a chain reaction intaglio Nov 2013 #61
Typical IN the box "thinking" PamW Nov 2013 #57
It is necessary for nuclear fuels to sustain a chain reaction intaglio Nov 2013 #63
I explained that PamW Nov 2013 #67
I cant understand why this is being questioned!! PamW Nov 2013 #68
And since I have asked this question of the other side Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #35
The punchline... PamW Nov 2013 #56
A question please Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #34
NOPE!!! PamW Nov 2013 #37
Thank you.. Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #41
NOPE!! PamW Nov 2013 #44
So, the impurities in the water that do become radioactive Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #46
Look at the NRC diagram... PamW Nov 2013 #47
Well that's kind of what I said Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #59
EXACTLY!! Give yourself an "A+" PamW Nov 2013 #69
And how does the fluid in the primary cooling circuit move through that circuit? intaglio Nov 2013 #62
Pumps are used. PamW Nov 2013 #70
An EXTREMELY small amount... PamW Nov 2013 #90
Thank you again Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #97
Some more interesting facts. PamW Nov 2013 #98
Hmmmm... Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #99
I don't think so... PamW Nov 2013 #100
Not even the CEO & other senior management of TEPCO? GliderGuider Nov 2013 #101
TEPCO - I'll grant you TEPCO PamW Nov 2013 #103
I am talking reality, not the law Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #104
Which waste would that be? FBaggins Nov 2013 #12
Oh, fun intaglio Nov 2013 #18
Hillarious that you find such errors to be "fun" FBaggins Nov 2013 #23
And how long will the land beneath those dams be uninhabitable? intaglio Nov 2013 #38
Prof Muller and the Panic of Fukushima PamW Nov 2013 #48
Let's take those in reverse order FBaggins Nov 2013 #65
The dry well is no longer part of primary containment because it is breached intaglio Nov 2013 #66
100% WRONG as ALWAYS!! PamW Nov 2013 #71
Reference to facts not in evidence... PamW Nov 2013 #105
WRONG about MOX PamW Nov 2013 #24
Contrary to what you may have heard... PamW Nov 2013 #4
Sorry but I live in a country with as long a history as any of dismantling intaglio Nov 2013 #7
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #9
Then check out about Calder Hall intaglio Nov 2013 #11
Gofman was DISCREDITED LONG AGO!! PamW Nov 2013 #27
Not what you said about actinides. n/t intaglio Nov 2013 #29
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #31
I gave you examples intaglio Nov 2013 #39
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #52
You don't know the Gofman story... PamW Nov 2013 #54
Windscale dismantled. PamW Nov 2013 #30
The name of the site is Sellafield now intaglio Nov 2013 #43
Windscale is still used for the two reactors. PamW Nov 2013 #53
NOTE: couldn't specify the isotope!! PamW Nov 2013 #73
Russia doubles down on "The Hard Path" kristopher Nov 2013 #8
It doesn't surprise me at all that Russia is doing this. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #19
Concentrated power likes...concentrated power. Iterate Nov 2013 #64
A Chernobyl in every pot and a Fukushima in every garage FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #42
Just another veiled way CFLDem Nov 2013 #55
"Green" hasn't replaced fossil fuels or nuclear power anywhere. hunter Nov 2013 #60
AMEN to that!! PamW Nov 2013 #72
Green is not " compatible " because we dont let it to be!!!!! darkangel218 Nov 2013 #77
You, personally, can quit fossil fuels any time you like. hunter Nov 2013 #81
As I recall... PamW Nov 2013 #84
I'm PG&E hunter Nov 2013 #87
Actually, I took the numbers off the PG&E website... PamW Nov 2013 #91
Fucking sickos!! darkangel218 Nov 2013 #76
0.1% of the power used in the world today GliderGuider Nov 2013 #78
My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #79
What people are dying due to nuclear waste? PamW Nov 2013 #82
Nobody will die because of Fukushima?? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #88
That sucks. There should not be one more nuke plant built on this planet Cleita Nov 2013 #80
What evidence???? PamW Nov 2013 #85
What evidence do you have that radioactive waste is Cleita Nov 2013 #86
Where did I say radioactive waste was harmless? PamW Nov 2013 #92
You sure know a LOT about the industry. Cleita Nov 2013 #96
Holy shit....you mustv be jk right??? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #89
Do you realize... PamW Nov 2013 #93
Do you realize that youre beating a dead horse? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #94
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY..... PamW Nov 2013 #95
yes because Chernobyl was such a success. MFM008 Nov 2013 #102
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