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In reply to the discussion: Russia Unveils Detailed Plans To Build 21 New Nuclear Power Units By 2030 [View all]FBaggins
(28,678 posts)65. Let's take those in reverse order
How long before the cracked concrete in the "dry well" can be repaired? - because that is where much of the cores from the melt-downs are, not in containment.
So let's see... how many posts of you being insulting just to try to evade (unsuccessfully) attention for your errors will I have to survive after I point out that the drywell is part of the primary containment? So it isn't possible to have something "in the dry well" that is "not in containment".
How long will the fishing in the Prefecture be poisoned because the fish have too high a load to be sold?
It appears "not very long" is the answer.
http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima-fisheries-to-resume-trial-fishing-after-samples-prove-safe/
How long before TEPCO finds it has turned back 10,000 site workers who have reached their maximum allowable dosage?
Oh goody... a math problem. Let's see... as of late August there were 134 workers that had exceeded their annual dose limit. Call that roughly two and a half years and at that pace it will take about 181 years for 10,000 site workers to reach their annual limits.
Of course... that's an annual limit. The number of workers that had exceeded lifetime limits was still in the single-digit range at the time.
How long will there be a raised incidence of cancer because of Fukushima? 10 years? 50 years?
I held off on all the other "when can they go home" questions because that impacts this one. There doesn't appear to be a high enough dose rate among the general public to cause an identifiable increase in cancer rates. There was a study that estimated doses for people who remained rather than evacuated... and it just barely crossed the statistical threshold for infants.
And how long will the land beneath those dams be uninhabitable?
The land beneath the dams was never inhabitable... and would not become so without moving the river.
I jest at your expense of course... but it's really a ridiculous comparison. Even if a town near the plant is permanently uninhabitable (not the case), you really think that there's a comparison? Tens of thousands of people dying (and hundreds of thousands having to leave), entire towns destroyed (no question of when you can come back and pick up your purse)... and you really think it's comparable to an event where nobody has died, very few (if any) will get cancer (almost certainly an entirely treatable cancer) and you can't return to your home for some number of years?
Really?
So let's see... how many posts of you being insulting just to try to evade (unsuccessfully) attention for your errors will I have to survive after I point out that the drywell is part of the primary containment? So it isn't possible to have something "in the dry well" that is "not in containment".
How long will the fishing in the Prefecture be poisoned because the fish have too high a load to be sold?
It appears "not very long" is the answer.
http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima-fisheries-to-resume-trial-fishing-after-samples-prove-safe/
How long before TEPCO finds it has turned back 10,000 site workers who have reached their maximum allowable dosage?
Oh goody... a math problem. Let's see... as of late August there were 134 workers that had exceeded their annual dose limit. Call that roughly two and a half years and at that pace it will take about 181 years for 10,000 site workers to reach their annual limits.
Of course... that's an annual limit. The number of workers that had exceeded lifetime limits was still in the single-digit range at the time.
How long will there be a raised incidence of cancer because of Fukushima? 10 years? 50 years?
I held off on all the other "when can they go home" questions because that impacts this one. There doesn't appear to be a high enough dose rate among the general public to cause an identifiable increase in cancer rates. There was a study that estimated doses for people who remained rather than evacuated... and it just barely crossed the statistical threshold for infants.
And how long will the land beneath those dams be uninhabitable?
The land beneath the dams was never inhabitable... and would not become so without moving the river.
I jest at your expense of course... but it's really a ridiculous comparison. Even if a town near the plant is permanently uninhabitable (not the case), you really think that there's a comparison? Tens of thousands of people dying (and hundreds of thousands having to leave), entire towns destroyed (no question of when you can come back and pick up your purse)... and you really think it's comparable to an event where nobody has died, very few (if any) will get cancer (almost certainly an entirely treatable cancer) and you can't return to your home for some number of years?
Really?
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Russia Unveils Detailed Plans To Build 21 New Nuclear Power Units By 2030 [View all]
FBaggins
Nov 2013
OP
Do they have any detailed plans about how they are going to dismantle them in 20 -50 years?
intaglio
Nov 2013
#2
So you are saying that long lived radio-isotopes are not present in nuclear waste.
intaglio
Nov 2013
#16
Nope... I'm not saying that. Nor most of the rest of your imagined statements.
FBaggins
Nov 2013
#20
And how does the fluid in the primary cooling circuit move through that circuit?
intaglio
Nov 2013
#62