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PamW

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92. Where did I say radioactive waste was harmless?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:46 PM
Nov 2013

Cleita,

Where did I say radioactive waste is harmless? Radioactive waste CAN cause harm; and that's the reason we don't let radioactive waste loose into the environment.

If you are a supporter of solar panels; you do know that the byproducts from solar panel manufacture consists of a lot of toxic waste ( just like the computer chip business ). Are these byproducts harmless? NOPE - they consist of a bunch of fiendishly toxic crap. So should we abandon solar power because it produces a bunch of toxic crap?

How about instead; we still have solar power; but we keep the toxic crap isolated from the environment. Of course, this toxic crap is stable; so it doesn't decay and it doesn't go away. So by using solar power, we've signed up for isolating this crap from the environment for all eternity.

A similar situation occurs with nuclear power. The radioactive waste is radioactive and therefore can cause harm; so we isolate it from the environment. Just like with the toxic byproducts of solar cell manufacture; we keep that stuff out of the environment so it won't hurt anybody.

However, the nuclear waste has an advantage. It DECAYS. For example, one of the most radioactive constituents of nuclear waste is Iodine-131. You may have heard a lot about I-131. However, Iodine-131 is radioactive with a half-life of 8 days. Iodine-131 radioactively decays into Xenon-131:

I-131 --> Xe-131 + e

The Iodine-131 decays into Xe-131 and a high energy electron which is the beta radiation. As long as the electron is high-energy and moving fast, then it can cause damage, and you have to shield yourself from it.

However, in less than a second, and a total travel of a few feet in air; that electron, because it is charged feels the "drag" force from all the other electrons in the air and it slows down and becomes just an ordinary harmless electron. So the harmful energy of the beta radiation gets DISSIPATED as a little bit of HEAT in the air.

That Xenon-131 atom is also harmless. Xenon is a noble gas; it is INERT. It doesn't take part in any chemical reactions including any chemical reactions that could be harmful to human tissues.

So the byproducts of the radioactive decay are HARMLESS. So all we have to do is wait long enough for the radioactive Iodine-131 to decay into harmless byproducts. The time you need to wait is about 20 half-lives, and since the half-life of Iodine-131 is 8 days; you need to wait about 5 months.

So if you keep your radioactive Iodine-131 isolated from the environment for 5 months; then the byproducts, Xenon-131 and electrons are harmless and can be released to the environment without ill effects. That's different from the toxic waste from solar panels which has to stay isolated since they don't decay.

So for each radioactive material, there is a time to wait until it becomes harmless.

Want to see stuff that USED TO BE radioactive waste? Look around you!! EVERYTHING that you see around you that is not Hydrogen and not Helium was once radioactive!!!

The only "indigenous" elements to the Universe that were created in the Big Bang are Hydrogen and Helium. EVERY other element from Lithium on up was created by the STARS. All the elements up to Iron are the byproducts of nuclear fusion. The elements higher than Iron were created in the thermonuclear explosions of stars going supernova.

When all these elements were created; they were created as RADIOACTIVE species. Then they decayed to the stuff we see around us now. In fact, some of the material hasn't finished decaying yet. You know that bananas are a good source of Potassium which our bodies need. However, a certain fraction of all Potassium is Potassium-40 ( K-40 ). The half-life of K-40 is 9 Billion Years. The Earth is only about 4.5 Billion years old. So the Potassium-40 hasn't had long enough to all decay yet. That's why bananas are slightly radioactive.

As far as Fukushima being hyped, I refer you to an article written by Professor Richard Muller of the Physics Department at University of California - Berkeley. Professor Muller is also the author of the book, "Physics for Future Presidents" and teaches a class for non-science majors on Physics at UC-B. Professor Muller has this to say:

The Panic Over Fukushima

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390444772404577589270444059332

Professor Muller points out that the radiation levels in Denver Colorado are THREE TIMES the radiation levels of Fukushima ( with the exception of the immediate vicinity of the reactors ).

The USA allows people to live and work in Denver, Colorado with THREE TIMES the radiation level of Fukushima; while the Japanese government has isolated Fukushima due to the radiation levels.

In 1945, Japan had two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were neutron irradiated by the two atomic bombs, and that made those cities radioactive. ( That's where fallout comes from; it's the neutron irradiated "stuff" on the ground that becomes radioactive when exposed to bomb neutrons, and then is flung to the winds. )

However, back in 1945, Japan didn't have the "professional fear mongers" that we have now. The Japanese started rebuilding Hiroshima and Nagasaki a few months following their destruction, and those cities are now viable cities, and have been for over 60 years.

THAT is my EVIDENCE of HYPE!

The good thing about science is that it is true, whether or not you believe in it.
--Neil deGrasse Tyson

PamW


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Mother Russia! nt Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #1
Do they have any detailed plans about how they are going to dismantle them in 20 -50 years? intaglio Nov 2013 #2
Nope to the first question. FBaggins Nov 2013 #3
A-a-a-nd where do they bury the high level waste? intaglio Nov 2013 #5
You don't understand... PamW Nov 2013 #6
Absolute and complete rubbish, indeed deliberately misleading intaglio Nov 2013 #10
Do you really not get it? FBaggins Nov 2013 #13
YES!! PamW Nov 2013 #15
So you are saying that long lived radio-isotopes are not present in nuclear waste. intaglio Nov 2013 #16
Nope... I'm not saying that. Nor most of the rest of your imagined statements. FBaggins Nov 2013 #20
This is like pulling teeth.... PamW Nov 2013 #21
So you or your guru are claiming that reprocessing is 100% efficient intaglio Nov 2013 #25
I explained that earlier. PamW Nov 2013 #33
100% WRONG as ALWAYS PamW Nov 2013 #74
So the Zirconium for the cladding is reprocessed into what exactly? intaglio Nov 2013 #75
In the self-contiained IFR fuel cycle... PamW Nov 2013 #83
Intaglio, I have been reading this Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #26
LIAR LIAR has no links PamW Nov 2013 #32
I would really prefer less accusation of lying Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #40
Scientific ILLITERACY rears its head again!! PamW Nov 2013 #14
Illiterate? intaglio Nov 2013 #17
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #22
Ignoramus intaglio Nov 2013 #28
GEESH PamW Nov 2013 #36
You are unaware of the processes in fused salt reactors intaglio Nov 2013 #45
SPECIFICS??? PamW Nov 2013 #49
If you had anything to do with science intaglio Nov 2013 #50
MORE ERRORS!!! PamW Nov 2013 #51
Is learning new (to you) terminology beyond your capabilities? caraher Nov 2013 #58
U238 will not sustain a chain reaction intaglio Nov 2013 #61
Typical IN the box "thinking" PamW Nov 2013 #57
It is necessary for nuclear fuels to sustain a chain reaction intaglio Nov 2013 #63
I explained that PamW Nov 2013 #67
I cant understand why this is being questioned!! PamW Nov 2013 #68
And since I have asked this question of the other side Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #35
The punchline... PamW Nov 2013 #56
A question please Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #34
NOPE!!! PamW Nov 2013 #37
Thank you.. Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #41
NOPE!! PamW Nov 2013 #44
So, the impurities in the water that do become radioactive Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #46
Look at the NRC diagram... PamW Nov 2013 #47
Well that's kind of what I said Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #59
EXACTLY!! Give yourself an "A+" PamW Nov 2013 #69
And how does the fluid in the primary cooling circuit move through that circuit? intaglio Nov 2013 #62
Pumps are used. PamW Nov 2013 #70
An EXTREMELY small amount... PamW Nov 2013 #90
Thank you again Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #97
Some more interesting facts. PamW Nov 2013 #98
Hmmmm... Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #99
I don't think so... PamW Nov 2013 #100
Not even the CEO & other senior management of TEPCO? GliderGuider Nov 2013 #101
TEPCO - I'll grant you TEPCO PamW Nov 2013 #103
I am talking reality, not the law Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #104
Which waste would that be? FBaggins Nov 2013 #12
Oh, fun intaglio Nov 2013 #18
Hillarious that you find such errors to be "fun" FBaggins Nov 2013 #23
And how long will the land beneath those dams be uninhabitable? intaglio Nov 2013 #38
Prof Muller and the Panic of Fukushima PamW Nov 2013 #48
Let's take those in reverse order FBaggins Nov 2013 #65
The dry well is no longer part of primary containment because it is breached intaglio Nov 2013 #66
100% WRONG as ALWAYS!! PamW Nov 2013 #71
Reference to facts not in evidence... PamW Nov 2013 #105
WRONG about MOX PamW Nov 2013 #24
Contrary to what you may have heard... PamW Nov 2013 #4
Sorry but I live in a country with as long a history as any of dismantling intaglio Nov 2013 #7
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #9
Then check out about Calder Hall intaglio Nov 2013 #11
Gofman was DISCREDITED LONG AGO!! PamW Nov 2013 #27
Not what you said about actinides. n/t intaglio Nov 2013 #29
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #31
I gave you examples intaglio Nov 2013 #39
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Nov 2013 #52
You don't know the Gofman story... PamW Nov 2013 #54
Windscale dismantled. PamW Nov 2013 #30
The name of the site is Sellafield now intaglio Nov 2013 #43
Windscale is still used for the two reactors. PamW Nov 2013 #53
NOTE: couldn't specify the isotope!! PamW Nov 2013 #73
Russia doubles down on "The Hard Path" kristopher Nov 2013 #8
It doesn't surprise me at all that Russia is doing this. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #19
Concentrated power likes...concentrated power. Iterate Nov 2013 #64
A Chernobyl in every pot and a Fukushima in every garage FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #42
Just another veiled way CFLDem Nov 2013 #55
"Green" hasn't replaced fossil fuels or nuclear power anywhere. hunter Nov 2013 #60
AMEN to that!! PamW Nov 2013 #72
Green is not " compatible " because we dont let it to be!!!!! darkangel218 Nov 2013 #77
You, personally, can quit fossil fuels any time you like. hunter Nov 2013 #81
As I recall... PamW Nov 2013 #84
I'm PG&E hunter Nov 2013 #87
Actually, I took the numbers off the PG&E website... PamW Nov 2013 #91
Fucking sickos!! darkangel218 Nov 2013 #76
0.1% of the power used in the world today GliderGuider Nov 2013 #78
My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #79
What people are dying due to nuclear waste? PamW Nov 2013 #82
Nobody will die because of Fukushima?? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #88
That sucks. There should not be one more nuke plant built on this planet Cleita Nov 2013 #80
What evidence???? PamW Nov 2013 #85
What evidence do you have that radioactive waste is Cleita Nov 2013 #86
Where did I say radioactive waste was harmless? PamW Nov 2013 #92
You sure know a LOT about the industry. Cleita Nov 2013 #96
Holy shit....you mustv be jk right??? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #89
Do you realize... PamW Nov 2013 #93
Do you realize that youre beating a dead horse? darkangel218 Nov 2013 #94
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY..... PamW Nov 2013 #95
yes because Chernobyl was such a success. MFM008 Nov 2013 #102
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