Environment & Energy

FBaggins

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18. Nope.

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:07 PM

Nov 2013

Coal is just the opposite. Rather than losing money they wouldn't otherwise lose... they're making money that they otherwise wouldn't make (if external costs were included).

How, exactly are you establishing the "actual value" you speak of?

Asked and answered. If you have to "dump" electricity for next to nothing (in some cases paying to have it taken away), yet you're forced to buy it at the same time... can't you see that that's only possible temporarily?

And to be on point, why don't you specifically address the point of Poland.

Because that isn't what I replied to?

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German renewables are invading Poland [View all] kristopher Nov 2013 OP

BTW, Poland's per capita coal consumtion is still less than the US, Iterate Nov 2013 #1

Only because their per-capita electricity consumption is less than a third of ours. FBaggins Nov 2013 #2

Of course it's not ok. But look, there's a squirrel! Iterate Nov 2013 #5

Bravo! kristopher Nov 2013 #6

Us coal consumption has been declining in the past few years kristopher Nov 2013 #3

It peaked in 2000 at 2.014 mtoe, down to 1.603 in 2011. Iterate Nov 2013 #4

Thanks for that information kristopher Nov 2013 #7

It's because it destabilizes their grid! Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #8

Destabilizes the economics of their grid. kristopher Nov 2013 #9

Hardly FBaggins Nov 2013 #10

"Renewables don't destabilize grid economics" kristopher Nov 2013 #11

You've failed to make your case FBaggins Nov 2013 #12

To your nuclear loving mind, perhaps... kristopher Nov 2013 #13

At all really. FBaggins Nov 2013 #14

Regardless of the actual value? kristopher Nov 2013 #15

I don't see how that could be confusing. FBaggins Nov 2013 #16

You mean the way coal's price reflects its "actual value"? kristopher Nov 2013 #17

Nope. FBaggins Nov 2013 #18

You haven't answered anything. kristopher Nov 2013 #19

Of course I have... you just don't want to accept the answers. FBaggins Nov 2013 #21

Numerous studies show that Central Europe is ripe for renewables. kristopher Nov 2013 #20