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txlibdem

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33. So we should destroy people's homes and livelihoods before relocating a turtle to another place?

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:24 PM

Feb 2012

That is the kind of myopic thinking that drives me mad. Can I bring my bulldozer and crew to your house and bulldoze that as well while we're at it? We'll put up a few solar panels whose total output might be enough to save 1 turtle. Surely if you care so much about not disturbing these precious desert creatures you should be first to volunteer YOUR home to the wrecking crew. It's funny how I've never heard you make such a pledge/suggestion.

Edit to add: All it would take is 1/10,000th of the desert to power the entire nation. Hyperbolic accusations do nothing to further your cause.

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Sacrificing the desert to save the Earth [View all] xchrom Feb 2012 OP

If I understand recent arguments... phantom power Feb 2012 #1

To throw a monkey wrench into it XemaSab Feb 2012 #3

They aren't "sacrificing the desert" - the deserts are growing - because of global warming. bananas Feb 2012 #2

In the article it says that a land area as big as LA, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties XemaSab Feb 2012 #5

You really don't seem to understand what's happening: "Dust-Bowlification" bananas Feb 2012 #14

The historical Dust Bowl was due to a combination of drought and breaking up the topsoil XemaSab Feb 2012 #17

Hopelessly flailing against the very solution to the global warming problem still I see. txlibdem Feb 2012 #18

I have a problem with destroying open space in order to save it. XemaSab Feb 2012 #29

So we should destroy people's homes and livelihoods before relocating a turtle to another place? txlibdem Feb 2012 #33

It's too bad there aren't any big, flattish, unused, sunny surfaces in cities. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #35

We need those for green roofs to combat the heat island effect txlibdem Feb 2012 #37

In the areas we're talking about green roofs don't make much sense. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #38

The exception that proves the rule? txlibdem Feb 2012 #42

After about 30 seconds of looking, these all look like great areas: XemaSab Feb 2012 #40

Angels dancing on the head of a pin txlibdem Feb 2012 #41

You might not be losing as much as you think XemaSab Feb 2012 #44

That's why residents of those cities can put up solar panels... just don't bulldoze their homes txlibdem Feb 2012 #57

��they represent but a pin prick compared to the scale of solar thermal plus solar PV that we need�� OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #54

Industrial sites? Interesting thought pattern. txlibdem Feb 2012 #58

One problem with these numbers OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #55

Again, I'd really like to see numbers on transmission loss XemaSab Feb 2012 #59

I'd rather see a focus on incorporating solar pannels... ellisonz Feb 2012 #4

That won't come close to what's needed. bananas Feb 2012 #15

The scale is massive, yes, but no more massive than other projects we have built txlibdem Feb 2012 #20

You're talking about inches when we need miles. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #24

I crunched some numbers in post #29 XemaSab Feb 2012 #30

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #39

Reduce Reuse Recycle AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #47

How is this saving the earth? RC Feb 2012 #6

These plants are loathesome. hunter Feb 2012 #7

This was predictable. Whenever a renewable sources becomes workable... Odin2005 Feb 2012 #8

What's wrong with deserts? XemaSab Feb 2012 #9

Nothing, but it's the best place to put large solar plants. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #10

There's plenty of desert that's already trashed... hunter Feb 2012 #12

You forgot ATV's XemaSab Feb 2012 #13

Me thinks you need to go back and read the OP RC Feb 2012 #11

Should we "mow down" your city instead? txlibdem Feb 2012 #21

What makes you think that desert species are barely eking out an existence? XemaSab Feb 2012 #22

Yet even a small change to their environment will spell certain peril for their species txlibdem Feb 2012 #26

We've had 300-year droughts here before XemaSab Feb 2012 #31

I call BS on that. You're going to have to provide some supporting evidence txlibdem Feb 2012 #34

I didn't say there was literally no water for 300 years XemaSab Feb 2012 #45

Your post is hyperbole yet still serves to prove my point txlibdem Feb 2012 #56

A few points: XemaSab Feb 2012 #60

Since you missed this the first time, I post it again. RC Feb 2012 #43

The earth will be fine.. Javaman Feb 2012 #16

word AlecBGreen Feb 2012 #63

Sorry desert! OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #19

How many homes are powered for each square mile destroyed? XemaSab Feb 2012 #23

And how many square miles of land will be yielded uninhabitable by a solar accident? OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #27

What about fracking? Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #36

I'm not a fan of fracking OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #48

Not to mention the coal mines... hunter Feb 2012 #25

+1. Truth is stronger than any cult. txlibdem Feb 2012 #28

So let's use our existing uranium XemaSab Feb 2012 #32

Or, even better XemaSab Feb 2012 #46

Let me introduce you to a word ... "subsidence" Nihil Feb 2012 #49

Yeah, I know a shopping plaza that was built on top of a landfill OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #50

That is super cool XemaSab Feb 2012 #51

Methane capture OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #53

I'd not be worried about flat (especially flexible) PV ... Nihil Feb 2012 #61

Even if you wanted to use some sort of concentrated solar� OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #62

I was thinking more like open pit mines XemaSab Feb 2012 #52

The pits could be sealed and back filled with the tailings. hunter Feb 2012 #64