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kristopher

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30. What do the National Academies of Science and Engineering say about our energy future?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:08 PM
Nov 2013

Pegging current US consumption at 4,000TWH the NAS&E authors tell us that deploying existing energy efficiency technologies is our "nearest-term and lowest-cost option for moderating our nation’s demand for energy", and that accelerated "deployment of these technologies in the buildings, transportation, and industrial sectors could reduce energy use by about 15 percent (15–17 quads, that is, quadrillions of British thermal units) in 2020, relative to the EIA’s “business as usual” reference case projection, and by about 30 percent (32–35 quads) in 2030 (U.S. energy consumption in 2007 was about 100 quads)."

They state that more aggressive policies and incentives would produce more results and that most of the "energy efficiency technologies are cost-effective now and are likely to continue to be competitive with any future energy-supply options; moreover, additional energy efficiency technologies continue to emerge."

The authors offer that renewable energy sources "could provide about an additional 500 TWh (500 trillion kilowatt-hours) of electricity per year by 2020 and about an additional 1100 TWh per year by 2035 through new deployments."

They are less optimistic about increased contributions from nuclear plants writing that they might provide an additional 160 TWh of electricity per year by 2020, and up to 850 TWh by 2035, by modifying current plants to increase their power output and by constructing new plants." However they are very specific with warnings that nuclear powers economics for Gen3 plants are significantly worse than predicted by the 2003 MIT nuclear study. They further opine that failure to prove the economic viability of at least 5 merchant plants by 2020 (it used to be 2010) would probably rule out nuclear as a viable option going forward.

Since the report was penned we have seen a complete collapse of the very idea that US merchant reactors are even possible and the likelihood is that few, if any, new plants will actually be built. If any ARE built it is extremely unlikely that they will be able to demonstrate the economic viability that is called for in the Report. This means that if their caveat about proof of concept is accurate, new nuclear is unlikely to play any significant role in carbon reduction in the US.

And now we have Fukushima as a new barometer of costs to add to the benefit/cost ledger and the phenomenally rapid reduction in costs for solar.


Here is a link to download the Executive Summary, where the authors of the report summarize the salient points of the study.

Electricity from Renewable Sources Status, Prospects, and Impediments
Executive Summary

http://www.nap.edu/nap-cgi/report.cgi?record_id=12619&type=pdfxsum

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SCIENCE says you are WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #1
Please provide links to your statistics. Common sense says that you are wrong. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #5
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #7
Do you trust the World Nuclear Association on design life? caraher Nov 2013 #8
WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #11
It isn't ambiguous: "...designed for 30 or 40-year operating lives" kristopher Nov 2013 #32
Vessel lifetime PamW Nov 2013 #33
Your "WRONG" was wrong kristopher Nov 2013 #34
NOT in the SLIGHTEST!!! PamW Dec 2013 #42
Right, you aren't slightly wrong you are completely and demonstrably wrong. kristopher Dec 2013 #43
Proof by assertion again..???? PamW Dec 2013 #44
I like your third person use of "the progressives" caraher Dec 2013 #46
Wow! I was hoping to have a nice discussion but you went nuclear. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #15
Well, it's true.. PamW Nov 2013 #21
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/112756356 kristopher Nov 2013 #9
SCIENCE says that? Really? ljm2002 Nov 2013 #10
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #12
Oh dear... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #13
Another "environmentalist" that doesn't understand the NAS PamW Nov 2013 #14
I can't help it... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #17
The above DELUSIONS are all in your head... PamW Nov 2013 #18
Nuclear Power is the right thing to do. PamW Nov 2013 #28
Nuclear and coal with CCS are poor choices to address climate change kristopher Nov 2013 #36
YAWN!!! Jacobsen again; and not even fresh; old 2009 "vintage"... PamW Dec 2013 #45
Don't buy the false claim about the NAS kristopher Nov 2013 #16
Kristopher is so familiar with the study... PamW Nov 2013 #19
OK, you redeemed yourself a bit with this: GliderGuider Nov 2013 #20
Only the CENSORED version from kristopher PamW Nov 2013 #22
DO I have it right, IIRC FogerRox Nov 2013 #23
It has to do with the stability of the grid PamW Nov 2013 #25
What do the National Academies of Science and Engineering say about our energy future? kristopher Nov 2013 #30
We can alway count on kristopher... PamW Nov 2013 #31
LOGIC says you are wrong (and so are the nuclear evangelists) GliderGuider Nov 2013 #2
That should be "Invalid logic" in your title kristopher Nov 2013 #3
I don't argue with evangelists any more. I just point out that there is no God... GliderGuider Nov 2013 #4
and that our species can't even come close to substituting for Him MisterP Nov 2013 #29
No Nukes colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #6
Yeah. Apparently. That's why we've had cheering for this rich boy's fantasy for 60 years... NNadir Nov 2013 #24
Well, many countries are pressing ahead with alternative energy sources claras Nov 2013 #26
China isn't a great example FBaggins Nov 2013 #27
The Answer to Climate Change Is Neither Renewable Energy, Nor Nuclear Power GliderGuider Nov 2013 #35
Also over the past decade renewables began to achieve grid parity kristopher Nov 2013 #37
The picture isn't much better when "energy" is restricted to electricity GliderGuider Nov 2013 #38
Judging by that off point answer you don't seem to know what primary energy is kristopher Nov 2013 #39
That's why the last one wasn't in terms of primary energy, but electricity. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #40
And you still ignore the main point raised against your OP kristopher Nov 2013 #41
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