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truedelphi

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20. I can't answer your information correctly on this board
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 08:52 PM
Nov 2013

As I have info about it you are not adding it into the equation. (However Scandinavian scientists attribute this program's operation to fifteen per cent annually of the global warming/global climate change situation.) However this subject is verbotten and could end up getting me a tombstone.

However I will say this - some four years ago, this program took bids from the appropriate industry's contractors, and the bids were for a single county in the USA, and the cost was ten billion dollars. Now in this new era, the particular black ops program is operating 24/7, and it is operating in every county, in the USA (some 58 counties right here in California) and most of the expense is for the jet fuel.

Also:
The U.S. military is the world's largest single consumer of oil.
Posted by defendandprotect in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Wed Oct 27th 2010, 07:08 PM
■ A full energy-use profile would allow the U.S. military to know how it uses its fuels, which would allow for a truly comprehensive energy policy.

Obviously, the military itself doesn't "know" --

■It's efforts to fund renewable energy projects are haphazard and do little to address its dependence on oil for vehicles.

Actually, the military has shown interest in solar airplanes --

The air force, the U.S. military's leading consumer of oil PDF, is spearheading the evaluation, support, and testing of synthetic fuels and engine technologies. It has good reason, the rate that fighters, bombers, and other vehicles consume oil is so high it is often given in gallons per mile or gallons per hour or minute instead of miles per gallon. For example, the B1-B Lancer, a bomber, burns about 59 gallons per minute; the B-52 Stratofortress burns about 54 gallons per minute; the KC-135 (an aerial refuelling tanker, known as a flying gas station) burns on average 35 gallons per minute; and the F-16 Falcon fighter burns about 13 gallons per minute.

And -- here's more info on why your estimates of military use of oil are likely flawed ....

Part of creating such a profile would involve data collection reform that has skewed the military's picture of its own fuel consumption. Official oil consumption figures from the U.S. military are underreported, due to accounting flaws: Certain vehicles rented or leased are not included in fuel consumption statistics; fuel consumption by private contractors, which has grown more and more important to the U.S. war effort, is not included; and fuel costs accrued by private transportation companies that ferry U.S. military personnel are also absent. A bigger issue is that in the two Gulf Wars, fuel was obtained at no cost and was not included in Pentagon statistics. During the First Gulf War, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates supplied 1.5 billion gallons of fuel for no charge, and in 2003 Kuwait supplied U.S. military forces with free fuel as well. None of this was included in the Pentagon's fuel consumption statistics.


http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/fea...


AND this analysis ....


DoD Energy Dependencies

In addition to the direct consumption of petroleum to power combat systems, there are four under-recognized DoD petroleum dependencies: 1) military industrial supply, 2) contractor support, 3) commercial logistics, and 4) installation requirements.

While most policy makers and analysts will focus on the 1.5 percent of national petroleum consumption directly used by the DoD when studying DoD petroleum dependency (94 percent of which is for mobility/transportation),47 this approach ignores the indirect dependencies of a highly intertwined military/industrial complex necessary for modern high-technology warfare.

While it may be virtually impossible to quantify and categorize the amount of petroleum specifically required to create/support every activity or procured end item within DoD, the fact that DoD relies upon an industrial base for medical syringes, M-16s, and C-17 parts serves to illustrate that the DoD is just as reliant upon petroleum-fueled civilian and governmental institutions as the rest of American society.

Let's not forget the importance of Recognizing the fact that fueling national defense goes beyond just the direct use of petroleum by armed forces and into a much deeper supply chain dependency and through this fundamental understanding we realize the vulnerability of America’s security to strategic petroleum supply disruptions or declines. This military/industrial dependency necessarily links civilian and military future energy solutions.

The second under-recognized DoD petroleum dependency exists in the realm of increasingly ubiquitous contractor support. DoD relies upon service contractors to fulfill a broad spectrum of requirements ranging from base maintenance to military interrogations. With the exception of DoD-provided combat zone fuel, the vast majority of DoD service vehicles are not among the actual inventory of US government owned vehicles, but sub contractors, contractors, rental agencies and those vehicles belonging to the military of other nations.
47 Lovins, Winning the Oil Endgame, 36. -

See
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/csat56.pdf
And then at the above link, read the section on DoD dependencies on page 15 (Fifteen as indicated at the bottom of the actual page, and not the pdf page reading at top of screen.)

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K&R Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2013 #1
We'll get our moment of clarity GliderGuider Nov 2013 #6
The Neo Cons have been addressing this issue. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #2
"And it is—as James Hansen points out, this is now a moral question" Trillo Nov 2013 #3
applies to consumption of food, or not? quadrature Nov 2013 #4
Strange Lordquinton Nov 2013 #9
I see lots of people.... paleotn Nov 2013 #10
Wow. TBF Nov 2013 #16
I was shocked, shocked I tell you.. stuntcat Nov 2013 #18
How Science Is Telling Us All to Revolt Electric Monk Nov 2013 #5
just what I was looking for after reading the OP BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #23
I wish someone would take the lead on this on the world stage. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #7
The Hippies were right! bvar22 Nov 2013 #8
One day you just get there- KrazyinKS Nov 2013 #11
And remember, he who dies with the most stuff… Champion Jack Nov 2013 #12
that's right KrazyinKS Nov 2013 #22
The problem with this line of thinking is that the people who need to truedelphi Nov 2013 #13
Yes, this is what's known as an "All we need to do is..." prescription. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #14
Your figures for the military are wrong muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #19
I can't answer your information correctly on this board truedelphi Nov 2013 #20
That's OK, you don't have to 'answer correctly' now - I've put the correct figures up muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #21
I think about half my recent journal entries are anti-productivity. hunter Nov 2013 #15
The Venus Project -- TBF Nov 2013 #17
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