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PamW

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33. Vessel lifetime
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:11 PM
Nov 2013

kristopher,

What determines the lifetime of a reactor? The lifetime is determined by the life of the reactor vessel. ALL the other parts of the reactor are removable / replaceable. For example, if there is a problem, the control rod drives can be replaced or repair. The only thing that can't be replaced readily is the vessel, itself.

Do you think a reactor vessel "wears"? There's no moving parts. It's just a big tank.

Do you have any air tanks or water tanks in your house? How about saucepans and dutch ovens for boiling water.

How long do you think they last? Do they only last 40 years? What's the "wear" mechanism that wears them out?

With a nuclear reactor vessel; like the saucepans; there ISN'T any; except one; neutron embrittlement.

The vessel is exposed to fast neutrons that can knock atoms from their proper place in the crystal lattice. Because a misplaced atom can impede elastic strain as a metal is subjected to stress; the metal becomes embrittled.

In the early days of nuclear power, it was HYPOTHESIZED that such embrittlement might lead to a limited lifetime of the reactor vessel. However, this has been a very active area of material research.

University researchers have been irradiating reactor metal in university research reactors for years to determine the degree to which neutrons induce embrittlement. The answer is that this effect is a LOT LESS SEVERE than originally expected.

In any case; embrittlement can be "treated". The effects of embrittlement are reversible by annealing, which means heating the material so that atoms have the energy to return to their proper places in the crystal lattice.

Neutron embrittlement is something that is monitored by the NRC when a reactor comes up for license renewal. If the operator can show that the amount of embrittlement measured on the vessel is well below limits, and that the original 40 years of operation didn't approach the limit; then projecting forward another 20 years, the limits will also not be reached; then the reactor can be re-licensed. If it would exceed the limits; then it would need to be annealed. NONE of the reactors that the NRC has re-licensed have needed to be annealed.

It was amusing to see an advertisement for the Nuclear Energy Institute come up next to kristopher's original post.

PamW

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SCIENCE says you are WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #1
Please provide links to your statistics. Common sense says that you are wrong. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #5
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #7
Do you trust the World Nuclear Association on design life? caraher Nov 2013 #8
WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #11
It isn't ambiguous: "...designed for 30 or 40-year operating lives" kristopher Nov 2013 #32
Vessel lifetime PamW Nov 2013 #33
Your "WRONG" was wrong kristopher Nov 2013 #34
NOT in the SLIGHTEST!!! PamW Dec 2013 #42
Right, you aren't slightly wrong you are completely and demonstrably wrong. kristopher Dec 2013 #43
Proof by assertion again..???? PamW Dec 2013 #44
I like your third person use of "the progressives" caraher Dec 2013 #46
Wow! I was hoping to have a nice discussion but you went nuclear. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #15
Well, it's true.. PamW Nov 2013 #21
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/112756356 kristopher Nov 2013 #9
SCIENCE says that? Really? ljm2002 Nov 2013 #10
BALONEY!!! PamW Nov 2013 #12
Oh dear... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #13
Another "environmentalist" that doesn't understand the NAS PamW Nov 2013 #14
I can't help it... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #17
The above DELUSIONS are all in your head... PamW Nov 2013 #18
Nuclear Power is the right thing to do. PamW Nov 2013 #28
Nuclear and coal with CCS are poor choices to address climate change kristopher Nov 2013 #36
YAWN!!! Jacobsen again; and not even fresh; old 2009 "vintage"... PamW Dec 2013 #45
Don't buy the false claim about the NAS kristopher Nov 2013 #16
Kristopher is so familiar with the study... PamW Nov 2013 #19
OK, you redeemed yourself a bit with this: GliderGuider Nov 2013 #20
Only the CENSORED version from kristopher PamW Nov 2013 #22
DO I have it right, IIRC FogerRox Nov 2013 #23
It has to do with the stability of the grid PamW Nov 2013 #25
What do the National Academies of Science and Engineering say about our energy future? kristopher Nov 2013 #30
We can alway count on kristopher... PamW Nov 2013 #31
LOGIC says you are wrong (and so are the nuclear evangelists) GliderGuider Nov 2013 #2
That should be "Invalid logic" in your title kristopher Nov 2013 #3
I don't argue with evangelists any more. I just point out that there is no God... GliderGuider Nov 2013 #4
and that our species can't even come close to substituting for Him MisterP Nov 2013 #29
No Nukes colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #6
Yeah. Apparently. That's why we've had cheering for this rich boy's fantasy for 60 years... NNadir Nov 2013 #24
Well, many countries are pressing ahead with alternative energy sources claras Nov 2013 #26
China isn't a great example FBaggins Nov 2013 #27
The Answer to Climate Change Is Neither Renewable Energy, Nor Nuclear Power GliderGuider Nov 2013 #35
Also over the past decade renewables began to achieve grid parity kristopher Nov 2013 #37
The picture isn't much better when "energy" is restricted to electricity GliderGuider Nov 2013 #38
Judging by that off point answer you don't seem to know what primary energy is kristopher Nov 2013 #39
That's why the last one wasn't in terms of primary energy, but electricity. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #40
And you still ignore the main point raised against your OP kristopher Nov 2013 #41
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