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In reply to the discussion: The Answer to Climate Change Is Renewable Energy, Not Nuclear Power [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)41. And you still ignore the main point raised against your OP
You have, however, provided evidence for it.
If we compare wind&solar to primary energy growth, their average share drops to 4.2% over 10 years, and 6.8% over the last 5 years.
You might find this useful since it addresses both the rapidly changing trend lines for renewables and the use of primary energy as a meaningful metric.
Energy efficiency and renewables are more than adequate. As you can see from the cost-deployment charts we are at a major turning point in what will be selected going forward.




Just as food for thought, here is the status of world final energy consumption by source.

This is the concept behind calls for energy efficiency (a strategy that is anathema to the coal and nuclear industry because it slashes their profits).
The energy wasted from thermal sources is a very significant factor in understanding the issue of what energy source is doing what. Primary energy measures the total amount of energy that a fuel source yields - no matter whether it is powering our lives (ie electricity or or propulsion for autos) or whether it is waste heat being transferred to our waterways from nuclear plants or heat causing NO2* emissions off the hot engine block of an internal combustion.
An alternative (and most say better) way of looking at the production and use of energy is to measure what is needed and consumed by the actual work being accomplished. For example, an average internal combustion engine (ICE) powered car ejects 85% of the energy content of the gasoline it consumes as heat and only uses 15% for motive power. When we look for alternatives to gasoline do we think biofuels, and duplicate the efficiencies of the gasoline powered ICE or do we focus on batteries and electric motors that have far better efficiencies - typically using 90% of the input energy for locomotion?
Writ large, what does that mean? Take a look at this flow chart and note that the "rejected energy" comprised 58.1 quads of the total 95.1 quads of primary energy used in the US last year. How much was actually used to do the work of the nation? Only 37 quads.

If we look more closely at the various sectors we can see where the major opportunities for energy efficiency improvements are to be found:
Sorry, no tables on DU but the bold is a legend for the information below it.
Sector: Gross - Useful Energy; Rejected Energy (proportion of useful to rejected)
Transportation: 26.7 - 5.6; 21.1 (21 : 79)
Electric Generation: 38.10 - 12.40; 25.70 (33 : 67)
In sectors where the heat value of the energy is useful we see much higher efficiency
Industrial: 23.9 - 19.1; 4.77 (80 : 20)
Commercial: 8.29 - 5.39; 2.90 (65 : 35)
Residential: 10.60 - 6.9; 3.72 (65 : 35)
Now let's look at the Solar, Wind and Hydro Subset of Electric Generation. These produce electricity directly with insignificant primary energy lost as heat in the generation phase, however they do incur line losses of about 7%.
SolarWindHydro: 4.07 - 3.78; 0.285 (93 : 7)
Let's compare that to
Nuclear: 8.05 - 2.62; 5.43 (33 : 67)
In the US, the our fleet of nuclear reactors (what is it, down to 99 and falling fast?) might have produced 8.05 quads of primary energy, but at about 35% efficiency at the busbar and a further 7% line loss, (8.05q x 0.35 = 2.82q x 0.93) that only equals 2.62 quads actually delivered to the end user for work.
3.78q > 2.62q
See also: http://www.nawindpower.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.11788#utm_medium=email&utm_source=LNH+07-19-2013&utm_campaign=NAW+News+Headlines

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The Answer to Climate Change Is Renewable Energy, Not Nuclear Power [View all]
kristopher
Nov 2013
OP
Please provide links to your statistics. Common sense says that you are wrong.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#5
What do the National Academies of Science and Engineering say about our energy future?
kristopher
Nov 2013
#30
I don't argue with evangelists any more. I just point out that there is no God...
GliderGuider
Nov 2013
#4
Yeah. Apparently. That's why we've had cheering for this rich boy's fantasy for 60 years...
NNadir
Nov 2013
#24
The Answer to Climate Change Is Neither Renewable Energy, Nor Nuclear Power
GliderGuider
Nov 2013
#35
Judging by that off point answer you don't seem to know what primary energy is
kristopher
Nov 2013
#39
That's why the last one wasn't in terms of primary energy, but electricity.
GliderGuider
Nov 2013
#40