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In reply to the discussion: Ontario's power glut means possible nuclear plant shutdowns [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)3. The price for electricity from renewable generation are declining
The price for electricity from coal and nuclear are increasing.
The example in the OP demonstrates how those dynamics are going to manifest themselves.
What that means is that the subsidies for fossil fuel and nuclear are nothing more than corporate welfare that benefits neither the taxpayer nor the consumer. The subsidies for renewables, on the other hand, are having precisely the desired outcome of reducing costs and laying the groundwork for a new , self-sufficient and sustainable energy infrastructure.
Subsidies for Oil, Gas and Nuclear vs. Renewables
Energy sources, from coal to oil and gas to nuclear, have all been subsidized over the last 400 years in the U.S. and elsewhere. By most metrics, renewable energy sources have received far less in subsidies in their early years than any of these other energy sources.
These findings come from a report by Nancy Pfund, Managing Partner, DBL Investors, and Ben Healey, a graduate student at Yale University School of Management and School of Forestry and Environmental Studies .
Pfund said, All new energy industries -- timber, coal, oil and gas, nuclear -- have received substantial government support at a pivotal time in their early growth, creating millions of jobs and significant economic growth," adding, Subsidies for these traditional energy sources were many, many times what we are spending today on renewables."...
According to the report, as a percentage of inflation-adjusted federal spending, nuclear subsidies accounted for more than one percent of the federal budget over the first 15 years of each subsidies life; oil and gas subsidies made up half a percent of the total budget, but renewables have amounted to only about a tenth of a percent.
Oil/Gas 4.86 billion avg /year (1918-2009),
Nuclear $3.50 billion avg /year (1947-1999)
All Renewables $0.37 billion avg /year (1994-2009)
Energy sources, from coal to oil and gas to nuclear, have all been subsidized over the last 400 years in the U.S. and elsewhere. By most metrics, renewable energy sources have received far less in subsidies in their early years than any of these other energy sources.
These findings come from a report by Nancy Pfund, Managing Partner, DBL Investors, and Ben Healey, a graduate student at Yale University School of Management and School of Forestry and Environmental Studies .
Pfund said, All new energy industries -- timber, coal, oil and gas, nuclear -- have received substantial government support at a pivotal time in their early growth, creating millions of jobs and significant economic growth," adding, Subsidies for these traditional energy sources were many, many times what we are spending today on renewables."...
According to the report, as a percentage of inflation-adjusted federal spending, nuclear subsidies accounted for more than one percent of the federal budget over the first 15 years of each subsidies life; oil and gas subsidies made up half a percent of the total budget, but renewables have amounted to only about a tenth of a percent.
Oil/Gas 4.86 billion avg /year (1918-2009),
Nuclear $3.50 billion avg /year (1947-1999)
All Renewables $0.37 billion avg /year (1994-2009)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x312860
Link to the study PDF: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=what%20would%20jefferson%20do%3F&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.bnet.com%2Fblogs%2Fdbl_energy_subsidies_paper.pdf&ei=NogwT67ZKcrIsQL7qfmYBw&usg=AFQjCNF7Tu5WaoYb0fJ5YF_kaYlBQGuUhA).
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"...step in to prop them up with artificially high prices on the electricity they produce."
Dead_Parrot
Feb 2012
#2
If nuclear bad is so bad, why do its opponents need to engage in this type of activity??
FBaggins
Feb 2012
#6
So you are claiming that civilian nuclear reactors are not based on military research?
kristopher
Feb 2012
#7
Does a civilian reactor, or a military material prep reactor crank out a completed W88 warhead pit?
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2012
#8
Yes, I'm sure the Department of Energy doesn't know where the fuck this plant is.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2012
#33
It is irrelevant since your assertion of fact in post #5 was, yet again, false.
kristopher
Feb 2012
#38
What competitive advantage does the liability cap give over alternative distribution systems?
kristopher
Feb 2012
#43
In order to be an "avoided" cost it first must be a cost that would otherwise be paid.
FBaggins
Feb 2012
#56
If your statement is true then why does the nuclear industry LOVE the Price Anderson Act?
kristopher
Feb 2012
#58
Perhaps the beer is why you don't grasp why you're wrong about the nature of the issue.
kristopher
Feb 2012
#26
The nuclear plants have to shut down because they can't sell their electricity
kristopher
Feb 2012
#36