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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
18. "Germany has the second highest electricity prices in Europe, after Denmark"
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:57 PM
Dec 2013

It isn't whether that factoid is true that is at issue. The issue is whether or not that factoid is placed in a proper context of other facts or whether one or a few "facts" are extracted from their actual context and rewoven into a false narrative.

As I've done to your claims hundreds of times before I could spend a lot of time creating a boring point by point rebuttal to demonstrate how you are twisting those few 'facts' into something bearing absolutely no resemblance to the larger reality, or I can demonstrate quickly and efficiently that your message is coming from a group of ideologues that use such a strategy as a matter of routine.

I've done both. Your message has far more in common with those populating the pages of the CFP than it does with the message of Hansen.

And I'll close by pointing out the logical fallacy of accepting Hansen as an expert on energy systems and using him as an appeal to authority. UK's top climate scientist is on the record stating that carbon capture and sequestration for coal is the only possible answer to eliminating carbon. Is he correct also because he is a top climate scientist?

That's a rhetorical question. Neither of them are correct. CCS is unworkable in the time frame and scale needed, and nuclear presents the problems of high cost, safety, waste and nuclear proliferation. If there were no alternative it might make sense to pursue both options, but we DO have the alternative of renewable energy.

The renewable course is recognized by energy systems experts around the world as the hands-down best solution to put our efforts behind in the fight against carbon; which of course, is why you spend your time trashing them. You are engaged in "trashing the competition" using the same methods as those at CFP. You may be motivated by concern over climate to use these disreputable tactics and you might be seriously deluded enough to, like CFPers, actually believe the false narrative you are promoting. Or, more likely given the traditional base of support for nuclear power, you are here acting on dark motives that need to be obscured by the sneering and spitting that is your hallmark.

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The ONLY answer is more nuclear power. Wilms Dec 2013 #1
The opening statement is correct, the sarcasm afterwards may be addressed by noting... NNadir Dec 2013 #3
How Much Global Warming Is Guaranteed Even If We Stopped Building Coal-Fired Power Plants Today? FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #9
I see two major errors with that study NickB79 Dec 2013 #13
Still trying to greenwash the behavior of the megaCorps, eh? kristopher Dec 2013 #2
Thank you for quoting the fool investment websites. I'm, um, unimpressed. NNadir Dec 2013 #6
Your concern is *exclusively* with the nuclear industry. kristopher Dec 2013 #8
27% Reduction in World Crop Yeilds due to Global Warming by 2050 FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #10
Meaning: the high speed and low cost of renewables is crucial to a transition from carbon. kristopher Dec 2013 #11
Thank you for offering another opinion on a subject you know nothing about. NNadir Dec 2013 #12
Energy storage will be the determining marsis Dec 2013 #4
Not really. Current research and experience have altered our understanding kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Thanks marsis Dec 2013 #17
It would be an economic decision, here are some references. kristopher Dec 2013 #30
This is a trend that is world wide. The old technologies cannot tsuki Dec 2013 #5
Kick... hunter Dec 2013 #14
What do you think of Canada Free Press? kristopher Dec 2013 #15
If one lives by googling and cut and paste sound bites... NNadir Dec 2013 #16
"Germany has the second highest electricity prices in Europe, after Denmark" kristopher Dec 2013 #18
Actually your evocation of "experts around the world," reminds me of Amory Lovin's 1976 "paper"... NNadir Dec 2013 #19
There you go again. kristopher Dec 2013 #20
There isn't a single anti-nuke "solar will save us" maven who ever uses any word BUT "could..." NNadir Dec 2013 #21
So your claim is that nuclear WILL save us? kristopher Dec 2013 #22
Um...um...I really don't think that you are any more qualified to give grammar lessons than you... NNadir Dec 2013 #33
Did you even bother to look at the publication date? Iterate Dec 2013 #23
“dispossessed”? There is no involuntary homelessness in Germany. Iterate Dec 2013 #24
If German electricity was priced by the usual market methods, Iterate Dec 2013 #25
Graphing German household energy costs kristopher Dec 2013 #29
We could parse the article word-by-word, number-by-number, Iterate Dec 2013 #32
yikes gopiscrap Dec 2013 #26
Lastly, when you fling insults like that Iterate Dec 2013 #27
My, my, my, this is an elaborate series of proofs that all of the poor people in... NNadir Dec 2013 #28
"Have a nice evening" kristopher Dec 2013 #31
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