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PamW

(1,825 posts)
5. The IRONY is really FUNNY!!
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:31 AM
Dec 2013

kristopher states
yet here you are trying out the "guilt by association" fallacy.

Irony is really funny; and kristopher complaining about "guilt by association" is really ironic.

I guess the idea of "two-faced hypocrisy" is lost on some. If someone, like Gore; complains about excessive energy usage and its effect on climate change; then that allows that person to do exactly what one is complaining about. As long as one complains loud and long about other people using lots of energy; then it's OK to own an "energy-hog" office complex and fly by private jet in lieu of commercial, or refrain from travel at all.

As far as Denmark, one can see where Denmark ranks in terms of CO2 emission per capita at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

We find Denmark at #45, with a 2008 CO2 emission of 8.4 metric tonnes per capita

However, there are some countries that do EVEN BETTER than Denmark in terms of carbon footprint:

We find France at #65, with a 2008 CO2 emission of 6.1 metric tonnes per capita. France is >80% nuclear power for electric generation.

We find Sweden at #74 with a 2008 CO2 emission of 5.3 metric tonnes per capita Sweden is about 50% hydro and 50% nuclear for electric generation.

So as laudable as Denmark is in comparison to the USA, which is #12 at 18.5 metric tonnes per capita in 2008; there are countries that are doing EVEN BETTER than Denmark at this laudable goal. That's because France and Sweden listen to the scientists like Hansen. That's something that people is some corners PRETEND to do, and chastise others for not listening to the scientist. However, if the scientists tell them something that they don't like; they feel free to ignore the scientists just like the people they complain about. There's a word for that.

The good thing about science is that it is true, whether or not you believe in it.
--Neil deGrasse Tyson

PamW

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Denmark continues to drill, pump, and sell North Sea Oil and gas. NNadir Dec 2013 #1
The right-wing spin you promote about Denmark is demolished by the facts in the OP kristopher Dec 2013 #2
The IRONY is really FUNNY!! PamW Dec 2013 #5
I simply called up the Danish Energy Website. NNadir Dec 2013 #9
By comparison, total Danish C02 is less than Nebraska, or less than half that of West Virginia. Iterate Dec 2013 #3
Well said! Champion Jack Dec 2013 #4
There's no "Danish grid" PamW Dec 2013 #6
It was metaphor. Iterate Dec 2013 #7
It's hard to tell.. PamW Dec 2013 #8
So it would be wrong to tout the French "grid" as being low carbon also, right? kristopher Dec 2013 #10
THATS a PROOF???????????? PamW Dec 2013 #12
No, it isn't a proof at all. kristopher Dec 2013 #13
Those are great visualization aides. kristopher Dec 2013 #11
If we can get by the disruption for the moment... Iterate Dec 2013 #14
Emission of CO2 from the Danish power and CHP generation fell by 17.3 per cent in 2012 Iterate Dec 2013 #15
Thanks. kristopher Dec 2013 #25
electricity at triple the normal price quadrature Dec 2013 #16
It's working for them. Maybe you ought to challenge your own assumptions. Iterate Dec 2013 #17
Please rephrase that kristopher Dec 2013 #18
True enough. Iterate Dec 2013 #19
Denmark's economy resembles an amusement park quadrature Dec 2013 #20
Every nation needs to find its own solution. Iterate Dec 2013 #21
Postcard from the Future: 122% Wind Power in Denmark kristopher Dec 2013 #22
Validation??? Validation of NOTHING!!! PamW Dec 2013 #23
NRG CEO Crane: Power grid will soon be 'last resort' kristopher Dec 2013 #24
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