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kristopher

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12. Military spending was not included in the 1%
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:40 PM
Feb 2012
Nuclear:
In considering how best to quantify nuclear data, we considered multiple sources and decided to use the analysis conducted by lifelong energy analyst and consultant Marshall Goldberg, a resource planner with a broad background in resource and land use policy and impact analysis. In his work, Goldberg includes principally the costs of regulation, civilian R&D, and liability risk-shifting (the Price-Anderson Act), while also taking into account both payments from the government to industry and government receipts from industry— thus coming up with a net annual figure for every year from 1947 to 1990. Although “on-budget” expenditures for the nuclear industry have been enormous, we especially value Goldberg’s analysis because he attempts a rigorous quantification of the “off-budget” value of the Price-Anderson Act of 1957, which “provided federal indemnification of utilities in the event of nuclear accidents, thus removing a substantial (and perhaps insurmount- able) barrier to nuclear power plant development.”29

Congressional testimony at the time of passage confirms the importance of Price-Anderson:
For instance, the Edison Electric Institute noted “We would...like to state unequivocally that in our opinion, no utility company or group of companies will build or operate a reactor until the risk of nuclear accidents is minimized.30


what would jefferson do? - pfund and healey, september 2011, dbl investors, key historical subsidies by sector, pg 22


I should have known better than to accept any premise offered by PamW.

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They talk like this is a problem Demeter Feb 2012 #1
"...step in to prop them up with artificially high prices on the electricity they produce." Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #2
The price for electricity from renewable generation are declining kristopher Feb 2012 #3
So, you're still not addressing the actual energy produced, then? Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #4
FUZZY MATH!!! PamW Feb 2012 #5
If nuclear bad is so bad, why do its opponents need to engage in this type of activity?? FBaggins Feb 2012 #6
So you are claiming that civilian nuclear reactors are not based on military research? kristopher Feb 2012 #7
Does a civilian reactor, or a military material prep reactor crank out a completed W88 warhead pit? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #8
Your desperation is showing kristopher Feb 2012 #9
That is a more reasonable statement. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #10
Military spending was not included in the 1% kristopher Feb 2012 #12
That is quite a lot more budget than I would have guessed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #15
Price-Anderson again PamW Feb 2012 #23
Interesting analogy Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #11
Gingrich is going to build us a moonbase XemaSab Feb 2012 #17
AND HYDROGEN HYPERCARS FOR ALL! Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #24
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2012 #22
Do you know where nuclear weapons "pits" came from? PamW Feb 2012 #20
Yes, I'm aware of this. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #21
WRONG Location!! PamW Feb 2012 #30
Not wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #31
You said Pantex was in Paducah PamW Feb 2012 #32
Yes, I'm sure the Department of Energy doesn't know where the fuck this plant is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #33
The only disagreement.... PamW Feb 2012 #34
It is irrelevant since your assertion of fact in post #5 was, yet again, false. kristopher Feb 2012 #38
BALONEY!!!! PamW Feb 2012 #39
Your reasoning is faulty and self serving kristopher Feb 2012 #41
More nonsense of course. FBaggins Feb 2012 #42
What competitive advantage does the liability cap give over alternative distribution systems? kristopher Feb 2012 #43
None to speak of FBaggins Feb 2012 #44
That was the answer - your trucking example isn't an accurate parallel kristopher Feb 2012 #45
The accident was your fault... not the hazmat truck. FBaggins Feb 2012 #47
It is still the same thing - "competitive advantage" kristopher Feb 2012 #49
None. FBaggins Feb 2012 #51
That isn't accurate - "avoided costs" kristopher Feb 2012 #52
In order to be an "avoided" cost it first must be a cost that would otherwise be paid. FBaggins Feb 2012 #56
If your statement is true then why does the nuclear industry LOVE the Price Anderson Act? kristopher Feb 2012 #58
Next question (while you're dodging the first one). FBaggins Feb 2012 #46
Why don't you just lay out the information you think is relevant kristopher Feb 2012 #48
The argument was made clearly... your avoidance is equally clear. FBaggins Feb 2012 #50
In other words you have no data, just your usual hyperbole. kristopher Feb 2012 #53
Still avoiding? Very well... next question. FBaggins Feb 2012 #57
Externalized costs are not the same as a subsidy kristopher Feb 2012 #59
Renewables have to be subsidized... PamW Feb 2012 #63
Costs for renewables are declining, costs for nuclear are rising. kristopher Feb 2012 #64
The argument has no data to support it. See post 58 kristopher Feb 2012 #60
At least nuclear power has the Brookhaven study... PamW Feb 2012 #62
Glad you brought that up kristopher Feb 2012 #65
Fuzzy math again PamW Feb 2012 #66
Nope kristopher Feb 2012 #67
I've told you before.. PamW Feb 2012 #68
I don't care what you accept. kristopher Feb 2012 #69
Then you will never convince me. PamW Feb 2012 #70
Pam you make things up out of whole cloth and... kristopher Feb 2012 #71
Sure - I'd like the links PamW Feb 2012 #72
GLADLY!!! PamW Feb 2012 #19
Continuing... PamW Feb 2012 #35
All of the replies to the OP are totally off point kristopher Feb 2012 #13
Or, that too much renewable energy without storage will fuck your grid Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #14
Not the same thing at all. kristopher Feb 2012 #16
. XemaSab Feb 2012 #18
S'alright Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #25
Perhaps the beer is why you don't grasp why you're wrong about the nature of the issue. kristopher Feb 2012 #26
Yes, they are. Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #27
The renewables produce what they produce kristopher Feb 2012 #28
Yes kris, they do produce what they produce... Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #29
The nuclear plants have to shut down because they can't sell their electricity kristopher Feb 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #37
That's a bunch of smelly bovine byproducts... and you well know it. FBaggins Feb 2012 #40
So you are objecting to the paper using "shut down" instead of "shut off"? kristopher Feb 2012 #54
??? Pretty wild spin there. FBaggins Feb 2012 #55
Wind always sells their output kristopher Feb 2012 #61
kick kristopher Feb 2012 #73
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