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PamW

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10. WHO is playing fast and loose with the facts?????
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:05 PM
Dec 2013

kristopher states
You are once again playing fast and loose with the facts.

Actually it is kristopher that is playing fast and loose with the facts.

READ the article. The items that were stolen were SOURCES.

"Sources" here refers to radiation sources. Those are bits of radioactive material that serve as a source for radiation. These sources are used in diagnostic and theraputic medical applications in lieu of an X-ray machine for example. Does anyone know someone who has had "radiation treatments" for cancer? Those "radiation treatments" were done using radiation from the "radiation sources" that were stolen as reported in the original article.

Or the radiation sources are used for imaging welds in the petroleum industry and other industrial applications. Again, they are used in lieu of an X-ray machine since the gamma rays produced by these radiation sources are higher energy and more penetrating than would come from an X-ray machine.

These sources are used in MEDICAL and INDUSTRIAL applications. They are useful in diagnostics such as imaging; both medical and industrial.

Again because of kristopher's LACK of scientific acumen; he MISUNDERSTANDS the article.

He "thinks" that these are thefts from nuclear power plants and claims the literature is full of these incidents.

That's just his FAULTY UNDERSTANDING, it's what one gets when one doesn't have the technical qualifications to understand what one is reading.

The litany of locations where these thefts have occurred are NOT at nuclear reactors.

For example, the Ir-192 source stolen in Abu Dhabi specifically states "Radiography equipment"

I think most here understand what "radiography equipment" is; it's used to take what are commonly called "X-rays".

FBaggins is correct; this is more "shallow understanding"; if it has the word "nuclear" or "radiation" in it; then it must be from a nuclear power plant.

The medical and industrial communities use "radiation sources" for such things as radiography, all the time; and it has NOTHING to do with reactors.

The radioactive material like spent fuel that comes from nuclear power plants is NOT easily transported or stolen.

For example; a typical fuel assembly is about 12 feet long and require LOTS of shielding.

NONE, repeat NONE, NONE, NONE of the incidents above are radioactive spent fuel from nuclear power plants.
There are some incidents of fresh fuel from research reactors; however that is small in amount. Additionally, fresh fuel is not irradiated and is no more radioactive than when it was taken out of the ground. When I was a kid, I sent for a mail-order science kit that had a natural radioactive source for the Wilson cloud chamber experiment that is more radioactive than fresh fuel.

It's all due to MISUNDERSTANDING or DECEPTION; I can't decide which.

As the old maxim goes, "Don't ascribe to malice, that which can be explained..."

The good thing about science is that it is true, whether or not you believe in it.
--Neil deGrasse Tyson

PamW

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The vast majority of MEDICAL sources PamW Dec 2013 #1
Even if what you say were true (and given your track record that's a Grand Canyon sized if) kristopher Dec 2013 #2
Evidently the logic went over kristopher's head... PamW Dec 2013 #3
Was that supposed to make sense? FBaggins Dec 2013 #4
Is someone advocating for a massive expansion of reactors for medical use? kristopher Dec 2013 #5
Did you just miss the point... or was that an intentional dodge? FBaggins Dec 2013 #6
"How does the theft/loss of material that has nothing to do with the number of reactors" kristopher Dec 2013 #7
Dodging again? FBaggins Dec 2013 #8
Your quoted statement is pure bullshit. kristopher Dec 2013 #9
Are you going to dodge all day? FBaggins Dec 2013 #11
FBaggins is CORRECT, and kristopher is 100% WRONG!!! PamW Dec 2013 #12
You are just digging yourself deeper and deeper ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #19
WHO is playing fast and loose with the facts????? PamW Dec 2013 #10
"READ the article. The items that were stolen were SOURCES." kristopher Dec 2013 #24
NOPE!!! PamW Dec 2013 #26
Your vast ignorance of nuclear technology is obviated here. NNadir Dec 2013 #22
Pretty sobering isn't it? madokie Dec 2013 #13
DU is fortunate... PamW Dec 2013 #14
Yes it is. kristopher Dec 2013 #15
Oppenheimer quote about radioisotopes... PamW Dec 2013 #16
The list of lost and stolen material is not limited as you are claiming. kristopher Dec 2013 #18
Because I said so!! PamW Dec 2013 #20
Existing and aspiring nuclear power states kristopher Dec 2013 #17
"..at least I won't be unoriginal." PamW Dec 2013 #21
That's a presentation by John Holdren, one of the MIT 2003 nuclear study authors kristopher Dec 2013 #23
DOES NOT MATTER!!! PamW Dec 2013 #25
Less Well Known Cases of Nuclear Terrorism and Nuclear Diversion in Russia kristopher Dec 2013 #27
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