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OKIsItJustMe

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40. What I find even more amazing is the building of the things to start with

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 01:47 PM

Dec 2011

I visited the Cathedral of Toledo (Spain) as I stood in the structure, realizing it took generations to build.

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/toledo/A26888.html

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Ranked among the greatest Gothic structures, the cathedral actually reflects several styles, since more than 2 1/2 centuries elapsed during its construction (1226-1493). Many historic events transpired here, including the proclamation of Joanna the Mad and her husband, Philip the Handsome, as heirs to the throne of Spain.

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I stood there in wonder, thinking of generations saying, “Our ancestors started this, some day, our descendents will finish it.” I don’t think our society thinks like that today.

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