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BlueStreak

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20. They wouldn't be doing this if the pricing didn't work with volume
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:04 AM
Jan 2014

This is not a gimmick to meet some arcane California law, as has been done in the past with some of the EV projects. Several car companies have made really big-time investments in fuel cell technology. Toyota is bringing this to market 2 years sooner than previously announced. Why?

I believe that indicates:

a) They really do believe this is an important development that wil grow into a substantial portion of the car production; and

b) therefore, they didn't want to fall 2 years behind Honda and Hyundai.

The projections in the article of 2030 are way off. The reason the dates have always been iffy is because the fuel cells were way off the mark economically. I have dealt with Toyota as a fleet buyer for a long time. They are always vague about everything. Toyota is uncharacteristically frank and direct this time. They are saying flat out that they have the economics solved on the fuel cell. Yes, they will charge an "early adopter's premium" for the first several years. Why shouldn't they? They have lots of R&D costs and they would like to recoup as much of that as possible. But they wouldn't have announced it this way if they weren't sure about the economics.

They don't have to get it down to the typical Camry range until there is enough hydrogen infrastructure to make that relevant, so they might be planning another 4 or 5 years to reach that point. They often talk about their product ambitions in terns of 2020. That's about right for a mainstream push.

I bet we will see an affordable, honest 300 mile range fuel cell car on the market before we see an affordable, honest 300 mile EV (meaning under $50,000 in today's dollars).

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So Is G.W.Bush Going To Be Proved Right..... global1 Jan 2014 #1
Sales of plug in hybrid and battery electric drive autos are ramping up rapidly. kristopher Jan 2014 #4
Just to be clear, this is only "zero emissions" if the hydrogen is produced BlueStreak Jan 2014 #2
Economical? caraher Jan 2014 #19
They wouldn't be doing this if the pricing didn't work with volume BlueStreak Jan 2014 #20
Well, it takes energy to make Hydrogen. longship Jan 2014 #3
Entropy is a bitch, ... CRH Jan 2014 #8
Hydrogen could be very useful as an energy storage medium. longship Jan 2014 #9
Yes, it should be thought of as a battery, ... CRH Jan 2014 #11
Still, a long way to go jakeXT Jan 2014 #12
Yes a long way to go indeed, ... CRH Jan 2014 #13
That "hydrogen sponge" concept is very interesting BlueStreak Jan 2014 #14
Its relative inefficiency is very important. kristopher Jan 2014 #15
Of course, the scenario is much more complex. longship Jan 2014 #16
Have you heard of P2G? kristopher Jan 2014 #17
Precisely the tech advancements which will bring this home. longship Jan 2014 #18
So cars are going from releasing carbon monoxide to mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #5
In those temperatures .... jakeXT Jan 2014 #6
Could be slick, when the Rossby waves get stalled. … n/t CRH Jan 2014 #10
I caught my wife just before she took a drink from a bottle that has some of that in it. kristopher Jan 2014 #7
If the hydrogen thing doesn't work out... hunter Jan 2014 #21
...and how many hydrogen filling stations are there? tinrobot Jan 2014 #22
how much platinum is needed per car?...nt quadrature Jan 2014 #23
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