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33. Of course you have to exclude King and Mandela from "the rouges gallery".
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:55 AM
Jan 2014

If you didn't that would be racist, right? Not cool to have "EXTREME disdain" for those two.

But that puts you in a tight spot, because you then have to delineate their cause from others, so their cause becomes inalienable rights, and everything else becomes a mere contemptible protest against law and majority, even when, in fact, the majority was most often with the protest and the laws were either inequitable or simple misdemeanors. Not that any of that really matters to you; your vengeful reactions to any protest or protestor is clear enough.

But you forgot Lewis. And as I remember, Hayden was also a Freedom Rider for a time; he's been active in environmental issues as well. And Bikko, you missed him, and without him Mandela's exclusion from the your "rogues gallery" makes no sense. Rice and Cordaro were active in civil rights issues, labor and environment too. Martin Luther King was anti-war and freshly active in the labor movement when he was killed.

Sparing Rigoberta Menchú from "EXTREME disdain" on your personally-approved list makes no sense, as she's cut from the same cloth as King and Mandela. Allow me to save some typing:

In 2006, Menchú was one of the founders of the Nobel Women's Initiative along with sister Nobel Peace Laureates Jody Williams, Shirin Ebadi, Wangari Maathai, Betty Williams and Mairead Corrigan Maguire. Six women representing North America and South America, Europe, the Middle East and Africa decided to bring together their experiences in a united effort for peace with justice and equality. It is the goal of the Nobel Women's Initiative to help strengthen work being done in support of women's rights around the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberta_Mench%C3%BA

Ooops, look what happened when I pulled that string. Around the world, connected.

Berkeley started as an "inalienable rights" free speech movement that Reagan hated so much, but the conflict with Reagan grew over a fight against the seizure of private property for a development. Somewhere down that chain of events James Rector gets killed watching from a rooftop. It sometimes happens when you bring in the military to enforce...property seizure rights.

It's most puzzling though that you'd leave off Gandhi, except that if you include him as safe from your "rogues gallery", as the founder of the modern non-violent movement you would certainly need to include Lanza del Vasto, his student and collaborator. I can see where that would be uncomfortable for you, as del Vasto went over time from a campaign in Algeria against torture (I assume it's an inalienable right not to be tortured), but then moved on to non-violent protest against the seizure of farmland for a military base, and later protests against French nuclear weapons, reactors, and plutonium production.

And Sophie Scholl, she passed out illegal pamphlets; no free speech for her and executed within days. She knew the law; she didn't "shut up".

The unifying theme here is that all of these people who lived long enough learned that human rights, civil rights, labor, social justice, peace(or at least anti-miltary expansion), community control, and a healthy environment are inexorably connected. That concept is now well-established. In practice, at one extreme you have Haiti, the other Denmark. In practice, civil rights and social justice are low carbon; militarized police states, not so much.

And that's why this matters in E&E. That's why your contempt for non-violent civil disobedience and glee with their persecutions and prosecutions matters -all in the defense of the military excess, nuclear weapons, nuclear power, Keystone, assumed property rights, and abusive, corrupt regimes. Again the relevant awkward translation from India: "They have been conducting a search raid in all the houses. They have been also announcing that if Udayakumar was found in any of the houses, the whole family would be encountered to death.” That's the police state you support.

Al Gore gets it. He might have been half a beat late and unnecessarily tempered, but there it is again:
"If you're a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration."

Now march and chant along with with Al (he's a Democrat):"we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience". Fire away.

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Its not a matter of If madokie Jan 2014 #1
What gets me is they propose a huge expansion of nuclear cprise Jan 2014 #2
Police State is NOT needed PamW Jan 2014 #4
And don't forget, "Deadly Force is Authorized!!!" kristopher Jan 2014 #5
Yes - that does happen to be a FACT!!! PamW Jan 2014 #8
But you went about 10 miles beyond that, didn't you? kristopher Jan 2014 #9
Your are welcome... PamW Jan 2014 #12
"Just go to one of DOE's nuclear weapons facilities" kristopher Jan 2014 #25
Tell that to... PamW Jan 2014 #27
I'm fascinated by the robot machine gun part caraher Jan 2014 #28
Samsung SGR-A1 PamW Jan 2014 #29
This is the lady who "got off" without being shot Iterate Jan 2014 #13
It turned out better than it could have. PamW Jan 2014 #15
That last line is straight out of Beck, Fox, or Limbaugh, Iterate Jan 2014 #19
It's my own words... PamW Jan 2014 #20
That's one of the most bizzare self-claims of "great minds think alike" Iterate Jan 2014 #24
Let's see... PamW Jan 2014 #22
By that standard MLK, Ghandi, Thoreau, John Lewis, Bill McKibben, Nelson Mandela, Iterate Jan 2014 #23
You made my point.. PamW Jan 2014 #26
Not surprised you'd call that (too short) list a "rogues gallery" and hold them "in EXTREME disdain" Iterate Jan 2014 #30
Rouges Gallery PamW Jan 2014 #31
Of course you have to exclude King and Mandela from "the rouges gallery". Iterate Jan 2014 #33
Martin Luther King protested using Civil Disobediance, do you think he shouldn't have? CreekDog Jan 2014 #36
How bad were those releases? PamW Jan 2014 #18
How do you defend the USA? PamW Jan 2014 #32
Utterly bizarre Iterate Jan 2014 #34
DELUSIONAL???? PamW Jan 2014 #35
Astonishingly, Sister Megan Rice didn't train to negotiate with Putin. Iterate Jan 2014 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author madokie Jan 2014 #39
O RLY? cprise Jan 2014 #6
OH PULEEEEZ... PamW Jan 2014 #7
You are damned by your own words, PG. kristopher Jan 2014 #10
Shilling for the nuclear power industry madokie Jan 2014 #11
I know there's an element of hysteria re: dirty bombs cprise Jan 2014 #14
Not inconsistent at all PamW Jan 2014 #16
You do so implicitly cprise Jan 2014 #17
I AM proud of them PamW Jan 2014 #21
Taiwan has been having a huge debate since before Fukushima kristopher Jan 2014 #3
Taiwan Nuclear Energy arachadillo Jan 2014 #37
Nuclear power justifies extending use of deadly force authority to rent-a-cops? kristopher Feb 2014 #40
This is not something where security officers will be able to shoot protestors. MADem Feb 2014 #41
I think it adds a layer of implied legitimacy to any such action kristopher Mar 2014 #43
That murdering Zimmerman isn't a good example, though. MADem Mar 2014 #44
The actions of the militarized police demonstrate what that worries me. kristopher Mar 2014 #45
Well, all of our energy systems are vulnerable--if not to people trying to breach MADem Mar 2014 #46
The social consequences of nuclear power are unique kristopher Mar 2014 #47
Someone hacking the electricity grid can do a helluva lotta damage and that doesn't matter MADem Mar 2014 #48
Apples and oranges kristopher Mar 2014 #49
Well, I like wind and solar, myself. MADem Mar 2014 #50
+1 kristopher Mar 2014 #51
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