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PamW

(1,825 posts)
35. DELUSIONAL????
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jan 2014

It's DELUSIONAL to make the claim above that someone is "losing an argument".

At this point, we only have a difference of opinion as to how to keep this great nation safe and secure.

In the face of the fact that Russia targets nuclear-tipped missiles at the United States, Iterate believes our response is to have peaceniks go to the Conference on Disarmament and Global Zero. Sure maybe it's less carbon; but do you REALLY "think" ( term used advisedly ) that Putin is really going to listen to a bunch of peaceniks on nuclear disarmament?

GET REAL. Putin doesn't care a whit about peaceniks at some self-serving conference. ( They're probably smoking more dope than talking anyway. )

The only thing that is going to counter the force that Russia threatens the USA with; is the force the USA has to threaten back.

That's NOT "waving the flag". I'm pointing out a REAL capability that the USA has; and it is that capability that holds the Russian threat in check.

Come on; President Obama, a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for his stance on nuclear weapons, acknowledges that the USA has to maintain its present nuclear deterrent. As the Obama Administration's own Nuclear Posture Review 2010 states:

http://www.defense.gov/npr/docs/2010%20Nuclear%20Posture%20Review%20Report.pdf

At the same time, as long as nuclear weapons exist, the United States must sustain a safe, secure, and effective nuclear arsenal - to maintain stability with other major nuclear powers, deter potential adversaries, and reassure our allies and partners of our security commitments to them.

That's NOT "flag waving"; that's US national security policy and commitments in foreign policy.

It's the REAL WORLD and not some dope-induced fantasy of the peaceniks.

PamW



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Its not a matter of If madokie Jan 2014 #1
What gets me is they propose a huge expansion of nuclear cprise Jan 2014 #2
Police State is NOT needed PamW Jan 2014 #4
And don't forget, "Deadly Force is Authorized!!!" kristopher Jan 2014 #5
Yes - that does happen to be a FACT!!! PamW Jan 2014 #8
But you went about 10 miles beyond that, didn't you? kristopher Jan 2014 #9
Your are welcome... PamW Jan 2014 #12
"Just go to one of DOE's nuclear weapons facilities" kristopher Jan 2014 #25
Tell that to... PamW Jan 2014 #27
I'm fascinated by the robot machine gun part caraher Jan 2014 #28
Samsung SGR-A1 PamW Jan 2014 #29
This is the lady who "got off" without being shot Iterate Jan 2014 #13
It turned out better than it could have. PamW Jan 2014 #15
That last line is straight out of Beck, Fox, or Limbaugh, Iterate Jan 2014 #19
It's my own words... PamW Jan 2014 #20
That's one of the most bizzare self-claims of "great minds think alike" Iterate Jan 2014 #24
Let's see... PamW Jan 2014 #22
By that standard MLK, Ghandi, Thoreau, John Lewis, Bill McKibben, Nelson Mandela, Iterate Jan 2014 #23
You made my point.. PamW Jan 2014 #26
Not surprised you'd call that (too short) list a "rogues gallery" and hold them "in EXTREME disdain" Iterate Jan 2014 #30
Rouges Gallery PamW Jan 2014 #31
Of course you have to exclude King and Mandela from "the rouges gallery". Iterate Jan 2014 #33
Martin Luther King protested using Civil Disobediance, do you think he shouldn't have? CreekDog Jan 2014 #36
How bad were those releases? PamW Jan 2014 #18
How do you defend the USA? PamW Jan 2014 #32
Utterly bizarre Iterate Jan 2014 #34
DELUSIONAL???? PamW Jan 2014 #35
Astonishingly, Sister Megan Rice didn't train to negotiate with Putin. Iterate Jan 2014 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author madokie Jan 2014 #39
O RLY? cprise Jan 2014 #6
OH PULEEEEZ... PamW Jan 2014 #7
You are damned by your own words, PG. kristopher Jan 2014 #10
Shilling for the nuclear power industry madokie Jan 2014 #11
I know there's an element of hysteria re: dirty bombs cprise Jan 2014 #14
Not inconsistent at all PamW Jan 2014 #16
You do so implicitly cprise Jan 2014 #17
I AM proud of them PamW Jan 2014 #21
Taiwan has been having a huge debate since before Fukushima kristopher Jan 2014 #3
Taiwan Nuclear Energy arachadillo Jan 2014 #37
Nuclear power justifies extending use of deadly force authority to rent-a-cops? kristopher Feb 2014 #40
This is not something where security officers will be able to shoot protestors. MADem Feb 2014 #41
I think it adds a layer of implied legitimacy to any such action kristopher Mar 2014 #43
That murdering Zimmerman isn't a good example, though. MADem Mar 2014 #44
The actions of the militarized police demonstrate what that worries me. kristopher Mar 2014 #45
Well, all of our energy systems are vulnerable--if not to people trying to breach MADem Mar 2014 #46
The social consequences of nuclear power are unique kristopher Mar 2014 #47
Someone hacking the electricity grid can do a helluva lotta damage and that doesn't matter MADem Mar 2014 #48
Apples and oranges kristopher Mar 2014 #49
Well, I like wind and solar, myself. MADem Mar 2014 #50
+1 kristopher Mar 2014 #51
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