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FBaggins

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10. Why would we even try?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:44 AM
Feb 2014

France comes the closest (about 95% of consumption) and while they've certainly benefited from it, they still run into problems having too much generation from a single source. If they didn't have fairly significant hydro/fossil (exporting the excess), they would have even more trouble.

Do we have enough fuel for that increased number of NPP?

Absolutely. There are multiple possible fuel cycles and the most likely involve very plentiful resources (uranium and thorium are quite common). The price would certainly have to rise significantly in that demand scenario, but fuel costs are a tiny proportion of the cost of nuclear power.

Considering much of the energy that is used to mine and process the ore now is fossil

That's really not a relevant consideration. You're not properly appreciating how substantial the mass-energy conversion is. The actual carbon emissions related to the mining of nuclear fuel is incredibly tiny on a per kWh basis. All of the major clean generation technologies (hydro/solar/wind/nuclear) involve fossil-powered heavy equipment for steel/concrete/construction/etc... but in all of those cases, the amount is quite comparable (and more importantly, negligible).

Is it even possible to be at 100% saturation nuclear energy?

Not really. And it would be incredibly wasteful. While the newer designs are much more flexible, you would still need to build enough of them to cover peak demand plus a margin to account for refueling and maintenance. A high percentage of the year you would have way too much excess capacity.

But again, why would you even try? For instance... we get 8% of our electricity from hydro power. I can't think of any reason why you would shut those down.

With those questions asked wouldn't it be smart to increase our reliance on renewables?

That's not really logical. First of all... asking questions doesn't imply conclusions. It's the answers to those questions that matter. Second, just from a logical perspective, nuclear and renewables aren't the only alternatives. So saying that you can't see one of them providing 100% of demand doesn't imply that the other necessarily needs to grow. It would be, for instance, much harder for renewables to provide 100% of demand... do you therefore conclude that we need to increase out reliance on nuclear? Of course not.

But the answer is still yes. It would be smart to increase out reliance on renewables. It's also smart to increase our reliance on nuclear power. Because that unmentioned category (coal/gas) is still the 900 lb gorilla that needs to be slain. There's lots of room for growth in both areas before we ever have to choose between one or the other.

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Renewables can deliver cleaner energy at the same price, but... DetlefK Feb 2014 #1
In a lot of cases solar and wind could be point of use madokie Feb 2014 #2
The solar roofs of 1000 homes powering a factory? DetlefK Feb 2014 #3
I'm not advocating 100 percent renewables only as much as we can feasibly do which is a lot more madokie Feb 2014 #4
Whether 20 or 500, it's still practically nothing compared to >50 million. DetlefK Feb 2014 #5
What solar would bring wouldn't require an individual control of each madokie Feb 2014 #6
It depends Altair_IV Feb 2014 #16
a lot of the fuel sabbat hunter Feb 2014 #29
Solar-thermal can bank energy into the wee hours Kolesar Feb 2014 #7
I once estimated it would take about 4000 reactors, worldwide phantom power Feb 2014 #8
Choke madokie Feb 2014 #9
It is achievable... phantom power Feb 2014 #11
Accidents happen madokie Feb 2014 #13
Reconsider E = mc2 FBaggins Feb 2014 #12
But how do you get sea water all the way to Oklahoma, kansas, North and South Dakota etc. etc.? madokie Feb 2014 #15
Numerous errors and misconceptions.. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #17
Did you just assume another name? madokie Feb 2014 #18
Welcome back kristopher Feb 2014 #19
Not the UCS Altair_IV Feb 2014 #22
Too bad you never learned to read a citation PamGreg kristopher Feb 2014 #26
Yes you have numerous errors madokie Feb 2014 #21
Students at Stanford? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #23
I suppose a second, possibly third time through madokie Feb 2014 #24
???????? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #25
I'm making myself very clear madokie Feb 2014 #27
Why would we even try? FBaggins Feb 2014 #10
If you dig back to around 2007 cprise Feb 2014 #14
According to Obama's Science Advisor kristopher Feb 2014 #20
That's such a phoney argument Altair_IV Feb 2014 #28
Because he retired he no longer is a Real Scientist madokie Feb 2014 #30
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