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Altair_IV

(52 posts)
28. That's such a phoney argument
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 12:25 AM
Feb 2014

The nuclear proliferation argument is really such a phoney argument when you think about it.

We are considering what the USA should do. Just because the USA can / does do something, that doesn't mean that we have to enable the rest of the world to be able to do the same thing. I know that sounds elitist or hypocritical to some whose mindset doesn't recognize national borders and consider us all one big human community.

We enrich Uranium to 3% to 4% for use in our reactors; that doesn't mean we have to provide enrichment technology to the rest of the world....and we do *not* just because of the proliferation problems. That distinguishes the USA from some other "environmentally sensitive" countries like "go solar" Germany. It was Germany's Siemens Corporation that furnished the enrichment centrifuges to Iran. The real villains in the proliferation problem isn't the US nuclear industry, but the "environmentally sensitive" (choke) Germans.

But I digress. Just as the USA doesn't furnish enrichment technology to less than trustworthy countries, neither does the USA furnish reprocessing technology to other countries. We can keep it for ourselves, and use it ourselves for our own advantages.

So if the USA uses reprocessing technology, is that going to lead to a proliferation problem? That question is so silly, it hardly requires an answer. The only reprocessing plants that are currently in the USA are those that are owned by the US Government for the US nuclear weapon program. In the early days of nuclear power, the Government owns / operated the enrichment plants. Today, the Government *still* owns the enrichment plants; but contracts the operation to a semi-governmental / semi-commercial firm, the US Enrichment Co.

We could do the same with reprocessing. The same Government that we trust to make Plutonium for nuclear weapons without giving it to the North Koreans or the Iranians; that same Government could do the reprocessing for commercial reactors, just as it once did all the enrichment for commercial reactors.

It really is a foolish argument to wave the "proliferation flag" - whether it makes sense or not; but I expect that from Holdren; the man stopped being a real scientist years ago, and is currently no better than any other politician when it comes to telling the truth.

Altair_IV

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Renewables can deliver cleaner energy at the same price, but... DetlefK Feb 2014 #1
In a lot of cases solar and wind could be point of use madokie Feb 2014 #2
The solar roofs of 1000 homes powering a factory? DetlefK Feb 2014 #3
I'm not advocating 100 percent renewables only as much as we can feasibly do which is a lot more madokie Feb 2014 #4
Whether 20 or 500, it's still practically nothing compared to >50 million. DetlefK Feb 2014 #5
What solar would bring wouldn't require an individual control of each madokie Feb 2014 #6
It depends Altair_IV Feb 2014 #16
a lot of the fuel sabbat hunter Feb 2014 #29
Solar-thermal can bank energy into the wee hours Kolesar Feb 2014 #7
I once estimated it would take about 4000 reactors, worldwide phantom power Feb 2014 #8
Choke madokie Feb 2014 #9
It is achievable... phantom power Feb 2014 #11
Accidents happen madokie Feb 2014 #13
Reconsider E = mc2 FBaggins Feb 2014 #12
But how do you get sea water all the way to Oklahoma, kansas, North and South Dakota etc. etc.? madokie Feb 2014 #15
Numerous errors and misconceptions.. Altair_IV Feb 2014 #17
Did you just assume another name? madokie Feb 2014 #18
Welcome back kristopher Feb 2014 #19
Not the UCS Altair_IV Feb 2014 #22
Too bad you never learned to read a citation PamGreg kristopher Feb 2014 #26
Yes you have numerous errors madokie Feb 2014 #21
Students at Stanford? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #23
I suppose a second, possibly third time through madokie Feb 2014 #24
???????? Altair_IV Feb 2014 #25
I'm making myself very clear madokie Feb 2014 #27
Why would we even try? FBaggins Feb 2014 #10
If you dig back to around 2007 cprise Feb 2014 #14
According to Obama's Science Advisor kristopher Feb 2014 #20
That's such a phoney argument Altair_IV Feb 2014 #28
Because he retired he no longer is a Real Scientist madokie Feb 2014 #30
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