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PamW

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62. At least nuclear power has the Brookhaven study...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:28 PM
Feb 2012

What companies are required to carry enough insurance for the worst event that you can imagine? None. Society always picks up the risk above some level.

You can't base a calculation on the insane assumption that the company you don't like should be required to carry some amount that you imagine is appropriate.
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At least with nuclear power, the amount of required insurance was based on a "worst case" study by scientists at Brookhaven.

In the mid '50s when Congress was writing the laws for licensing nuclear power plants, they asked the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) how bad a nuclear power plant accident could be. The AEC tasked the scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory with calculating a "worst case" nuclear power plant accident. In the Brookhaven study, the scientists assumed that the power plant did NOT have a containment building even though ALL commercial power plants would be required to have a containment building. Additionally, Brookhaven assumed that everything that could go wrong, did; and that anything that could go right, didn't.

The level of liability insurance that nuclear power plant operators are required to obtain from commercial insurers, like American Nuclear Insurers, was established by the Brookhaven study.

The problem was that there were those in Congress that saw the insurance issue as a way of killing off the nascent nuclear power industry at the outset. All they had to do was require an exhorbitant amount of insurance, totally unrelated to the actual potential damages - a lot like requiring a car driver to carry 100s of Billions of dollars of liability insurance; then the cost of insurance would be prohibitive, and the nascent nuclear power industry would be killed.

All the while, these anti-nukes at least CLAIMED that they weren't trying to kill the industry, that they were trying to protect the public. So the authors of the legislation, Representative Charles Price (D-IL) and Clinton Anderson (D-NM) concocted the 2nd tier of Price-Anderson. The 2nd tier provides the protection that the anti-nukes wanted, but the industry didn't have to pay for it up front. They would only have to pay for it if there was an accident by taxing ALL the nuclear power plant operators and not just the one that had the accident, in order to reimburse the Government for any expenditures providing 2nd tier.

That scheme gave the required protection the anti-nukes claim was needed for the average person, but didn't kill the industry with premiums for liability insurance that exceeded what the scientists said would be the worst case. The anti-nukes couldn't publically admit that their true motive was not concern for public safety, but to kill the industry before it got started. That's why we have this two-tiered liability scheme embodied in the Price-Anderson Act.

There are liability limits encoded in law not only for nuclear power plant, but airline travel ( read the back of your paper ticket sometime ), hydroelectric dams.... I don't see people groussing about giving "subsidies" to airlinies.

PamW

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They talk like this is a problem Demeter Feb 2012 #1
"...step in to prop them up with artificially high prices on the electricity they produce." Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #2
The price for electricity from renewable generation are declining kristopher Feb 2012 #3
So, you're still not addressing the actual energy produced, then? Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #4
FUZZY MATH!!! PamW Feb 2012 #5
If nuclear bad is so bad, why do its opponents need to engage in this type of activity?? FBaggins Feb 2012 #6
So you are claiming that civilian nuclear reactors are not based on military research? kristopher Feb 2012 #7
Does a civilian reactor, or a military material prep reactor crank out a completed W88 warhead pit? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #8
Your desperation is showing kristopher Feb 2012 #9
That is a more reasonable statement. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #10
Military spending was not included in the 1% kristopher Feb 2012 #12
That is quite a lot more budget than I would have guessed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #15
Price-Anderson again PamW Feb 2012 #23
Interesting analogy Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #11
Gingrich is going to build us a moonbase XemaSab Feb 2012 #17
AND HYDROGEN HYPERCARS FOR ALL! Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #24
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! PamW Feb 2012 #22
Do you know where nuclear weapons "pits" came from? PamW Feb 2012 #20
Yes, I'm aware of this. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #21
WRONG Location!! PamW Feb 2012 #30
Not wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #31
You said Pantex was in Paducah PamW Feb 2012 #32
Yes, I'm sure the Department of Energy doesn't know where the fuck this plant is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #33
The only disagreement.... PamW Feb 2012 #34
It is irrelevant since your assertion of fact in post #5 was, yet again, false. kristopher Feb 2012 #38
BALONEY!!!! PamW Feb 2012 #39
Your reasoning is faulty and self serving kristopher Feb 2012 #41
More nonsense of course. FBaggins Feb 2012 #42
What competitive advantage does the liability cap give over alternative distribution systems? kristopher Feb 2012 #43
None to speak of FBaggins Feb 2012 #44
That was the answer - your trucking example isn't an accurate parallel kristopher Feb 2012 #45
The accident was your fault... not the hazmat truck. FBaggins Feb 2012 #47
It is still the same thing - "competitive advantage" kristopher Feb 2012 #49
None. FBaggins Feb 2012 #51
That isn't accurate - "avoided costs" kristopher Feb 2012 #52
In order to be an "avoided" cost it first must be a cost that would otherwise be paid. FBaggins Feb 2012 #56
If your statement is true then why does the nuclear industry LOVE the Price Anderson Act? kristopher Feb 2012 #58
Next question (while you're dodging the first one). FBaggins Feb 2012 #46
Why don't you just lay out the information you think is relevant kristopher Feb 2012 #48
The argument was made clearly... your avoidance is equally clear. FBaggins Feb 2012 #50
In other words you have no data, just your usual hyperbole. kristopher Feb 2012 #53
Still avoiding? Very well... next question. FBaggins Feb 2012 #57
Externalized costs are not the same as a subsidy kristopher Feb 2012 #59
Renewables have to be subsidized... PamW Feb 2012 #63
Costs for renewables are declining, costs for nuclear are rising. kristopher Feb 2012 #64
The argument has no data to support it. See post 58 kristopher Feb 2012 #60
At least nuclear power has the Brookhaven study... PamW Feb 2012 #62
Glad you brought that up kristopher Feb 2012 #65
Fuzzy math again PamW Feb 2012 #66
Nope kristopher Feb 2012 #67
I've told you before.. PamW Feb 2012 #68
I don't care what you accept. kristopher Feb 2012 #69
Then you will never convince me. PamW Feb 2012 #70
Pam you make things up out of whole cloth and... kristopher Feb 2012 #71
Sure - I'd like the links PamW Feb 2012 #72
GLADLY!!! PamW Feb 2012 #19
Continuing... PamW Feb 2012 #35
All of the replies to the OP are totally off point kristopher Feb 2012 #13
Or, that too much renewable energy without storage will fuck your grid Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #14
Not the same thing at all. kristopher Feb 2012 #16
. XemaSab Feb 2012 #18
S'alright Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #25
Perhaps the beer is why you don't grasp why you're wrong about the nature of the issue. kristopher Feb 2012 #26
Yes, they are. Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #27
The renewables produce what they produce kristopher Feb 2012 #28
Yes kris, they do produce what they produce... Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #29
The nuclear plants have to shut down because they can't sell their electricity kristopher Feb 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #37
That's a bunch of smelly bovine byproducts... and you well know it. FBaggins Feb 2012 #40
So you are objecting to the paper using "shut down" instead of "shut off"? kristopher Feb 2012 #54
??? Pretty wild spin there. FBaggins Feb 2012 #55
Wind always sells their output kristopher Feb 2012 #61
kick kristopher Feb 2012 #73
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