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longship

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20. Here's why.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:10 AM
Apr 2014

The second law of thermodynamics.

That's a given. There is always waste in any physical process. That is why hydrogen as a fuel for energy is not an energy source. It can be correctly termed as an energy storage medium, but not a source.

Why? Because there are zero sources of gaseous hydrogen on Earth. All hydrogen on Earth is chemically bonded to other atoms, like in water.

It always takes more energy to free the hydrogen than is gained by burning it as fuel. That's just the physics. People have to deal with that fact.

For instance, excess solar power can be used for electrolysis of water during the day time. The generated hydrogen can then be used to generate power during the night when solar energy makes no power. Yup! It's inefficient, but the alternative is to throw away the excess power. One has to store the energy in some way. Hydrogen might work out for that.

But again. There are no sources of hydrogen on Earth that don't require breaking chemical bonds. And that will always take more energy than is gained by burning the hydrogen. Always!

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We've spilled enough oil in it Politicalboi Apr 2014 #1
Exxon just purchased the rights to the new technology to make fuel doc03 Apr 2014 #2
Um.....no. jeff47 Apr 2014 #3
Exactly. You need a nuclear reactor to run the whole process NickB79 Apr 2014 #6
You mean this isn't THE perpetual motion machine? Viking12 Apr 2014 #33
The technology to convert water to "Brown's gas" has been around for a long time. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #4
Browns gas nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #5
Hard doesn't particularly help with hydrogen fuel. jeff47 Apr 2014 #7
Toyota and Hyundai nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #9
And GM was confident enough to launch the EV-1. jeff47 Apr 2014 #11
Conversion at (or near)the point of ignition is key. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #14
The conversion requires energy. jeff47 Apr 2014 #30
Sorry, nope!!! longship Apr 2014 #8
Quick! Tell this woman before she wastes more time nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #10
She's not doing what this shitty article is claiming. jeff47 Apr 2014 #12
Converting sea water to Navy jet fuel nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #17
I assure you that she knows it, too. longship Apr 2014 #13
It's obvious you are a freedumb hating shill pscot Apr 2014 #15
Huh? longship Apr 2014 #22
I believe he was joking... caraher Apr 2014 #25
Sometimes it is difficult to tell. Especially on line. longship Apr 2014 #26
*Not* Always nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #18
Yes. ALWAYS!! longship Apr 2014 #21
Wait, how can it take MORE energy? Jim Lane Apr 2014 #19
Here's why. longship Apr 2014 #20
It seems you're agreeing with what I said. Jim Lane Apr 2014 #28
Yup. Or just general inefficiencies. nt longship Apr 2014 #29
Related nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #16
Note: hydrogen is not an energy source. longship Apr 2014 #23
Yep, sure, just what we need... defacto7 Apr 2014 #24
Seems a bit large for autos Warpy Apr 2014 #27
This isn't new, really. Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #31
Well, if you happen to have a mobile, floating nuclear reactor . . . . hatrack Apr 2014 #32
Trashing. Overblown hype, posted too many times already. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #34
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