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GliderGuider

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Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:01 AM Jun 2014

Dennis Meadows: Collapse inevitable 2015-2020 [View all]

Dennis Meadows: Collapse inevitable 2015-2020

"In 1972 there were two possible options provided for going forward — overshoot or sustainable development. Despite myriad conferences and commissions on sustainable development since then, the world opted for overshoot. The two-leggeds hairless apes did what they always have done. They dominated and subdued Earth. Faced with unequivocable evidence of an approaching existential threat, they equivocated and then attempted to muddle through.

Global civilization will only be the first of many casualties of the climate the Mother Nature now has coming our way at a rate of change exceeding any comparable shift in the past 3 million years, save perhaps the meteors or supervolcanoes that scattered our ancestors into barely enough breeding pairs to be able to revive. This change will be longer lived and more profound than many of those phenomena. We have fundamentally altered the nitrogen, carbon and potassium cycles of the planet. It may never go back to an ecosystem in which bipedal mammals with bicameral brains were possible. Or, not for millions of years”.

Meadows holds that collapse is now all but inevitable, but that its actual form will be too complex for any model to predict. “Collapse will not be driven by a single, identifiable cause simultaneously acting in all countries,” he observes. “It will come through a self-reinforcing complex of issues”—including climate change, resource constraints and socioeconomic inequality. When economies slow down, Meadows explains, fewer products are created relative to demand, and “when the rich can’t get more by producing real wealth they start to use their power to take from lower segments.” As scarcities mount and inequality increases, revolutions and socioeconomic movements like the Arab Spring or Occupy Wall Street will become more widespread—as will their repression.
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Ah... the joy of being able to confidently say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #1
Early is wrong. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #7
data, not anecdote FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
But that's why if you look at my post I used the CRB. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #13
Ah... but you're not reading it right. FBaggins Jun 2014 #15
The problem with that argument is... Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #16
Many DUers have already come to this conclusion. upaloopa Jun 2014 #2
If we paid the true environmental cost for what we do The2ndWheel Jun 2014 #3
just a vague memory that supports you some ? Leme Jun 2014 #5
Great. Just great. Damn hippies. We were right all along. postulater Jun 2014 #4
I recently turned 70. It appears to me collapse is already happening, just slowly, enough Jun 2014 #6
like a frog in a slowly warming pot..getting uncomfortable...soon dead nt Leme Jun 2014 #14
There's nothing like an LtG thread to draw the cornucopians out of the woodwork, eh? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #8
DUzy phantom power Jun 2014 #9
1914 to 1960 was a lot worse for humanity, by many many orders of magnitude. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #10
That's a very hard comparison to make NickB79 Jun 2014 #17
That's a reasonable argument to make, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #18
The problem with complex systems is that up until they fail things look fairly normal. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #19
The problem with your thesis is right in front of you. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #20
From where I sit, things ARE happening now. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21
On the political and economic points. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #23
Some support for the contrarian point of view GliderGuider Jun 2014 #24
Talking globally, not just the US, on the authoritarianism part. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #25
We have very different world views. nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #26
Obviously. FBaggins Jun 2014 #27
Everyone's reality is influenced by their worldview. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #28
Evidence of creeping government authoritarianism in Canada GliderGuider Jun 2014 #30
Agreed that Canada's politics are heading downhill fast. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #31
Would "Nigeria with polar bears" be too much hyperbole for you? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #32
Well, yeah. Now, if you get your own version of Boko Haram.... n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #33
Well, we do have the Partie Quebecois... nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #34
An interesting "short paper", that basically says "shit happens" regardless system safety measures. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #22
The world is not divided into just Malthusians and Cornucopians FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
Does the name Bilderberg Group ring a bell? defacto7 Jun 2014 #29
Nobody wants to spook the horses. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #35
True. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2014 #36
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