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NickB79

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17. That's a very hard comparison to make
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

Between WWI and WWII, we witnessed approximately 75-80 million deaths due to the wars.

Today, we're looking at 100 million excess deaths due to climate change by 2030, and that's just the beginning: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/climate-inaction-idINDEE88O0HH20120925

Since climate change, even under the best-case scenarios, will keep getting worse for the rest of the 21st century (if not far longer), how many deaths will we hit by 2040? By 2050? By 2075?

The good thing about wars is that they end in relatively quick terms. No nation can sustain a massive war effort for decades without themselves collapsing in the process. Even the Cold War only lasted for less than 50 years.

With climate change, the damage we've done is ongoing and increasingly self-reinforcing, and will be measured in MILLENNIA. Depending on how these positive feedback loops play out, and how high the temps finally climb, the eventual damage to the planet could be worse than the global nuclear war we all worried about during the Cold War.

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Ah... the joy of being able to confidently say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #1
Early is wrong. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #7
data, not anecdote FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
But that's why if you look at my post I used the CRB. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #13
Ah... but you're not reading it right. FBaggins Jun 2014 #15
The problem with that argument is... Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #16
Many DUers have already come to this conclusion. upaloopa Jun 2014 #2
If we paid the true environmental cost for what we do The2ndWheel Jun 2014 #3
just a vague memory that supports you some ? Leme Jun 2014 #5
Great. Just great. Damn hippies. We were right all along. postulater Jun 2014 #4
I recently turned 70. It appears to me collapse is already happening, just slowly, enough Jun 2014 #6
like a frog in a slowly warming pot..getting uncomfortable...soon dead nt Leme Jun 2014 #14
There's nothing like an LtG thread to draw the cornucopians out of the woodwork, eh? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #8
DUzy phantom power Jun 2014 #9
1914 to 1960 was a lot worse for humanity, by many many orders of magnitude. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #10
That's a very hard comparison to make NickB79 Jun 2014 #17
That's a reasonable argument to make, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #18
The problem with complex systems is that up until they fail things look fairly normal. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #19
The problem with your thesis is right in front of you. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #20
From where I sit, things ARE happening now. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21
On the political and economic points. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #23
Some support for the contrarian point of view GliderGuider Jun 2014 #24
Talking globally, not just the US, on the authoritarianism part. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #25
We have very different world views. nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #26
Obviously. FBaggins Jun 2014 #27
Everyone's reality is influenced by their worldview. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #28
Evidence of creeping government authoritarianism in Canada GliderGuider Jun 2014 #30
Agreed that Canada's politics are heading downhill fast. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #31
Would "Nigeria with polar bears" be too much hyperbole for you? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #32
Well, yeah. Now, if you get your own version of Boko Haram.... n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #33
Well, we do have the Partie Quebecois... nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #34
An interesting "short paper", that basically says "shit happens" regardless system safety measures. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #22
The world is not divided into just Malthusians and Cornucopians FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
Does the name Bilderberg Group ring a bell? defacto7 Jun 2014 #29
Nobody wants to spook the horses. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #35
True. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2014 #36
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