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GliderGuider

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21. From where I sit, things ARE happening now.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

But you have to look beyond simply politics and economics to see it clearly.

First there are the ecological factors:

» Climate disruption and the couple of dozen positive feedbacks that are already in play;
» Ocean acidification;
» Desertification and deforestation;
» Loss of fresh water aquifers;
» Loss of soil fertility;
» Loss of topsoil;
» Increasing soil and water pollution with chemicals and garbage;
» Accelerating species extinctions on land and in the oceans;
» Increasing human appropriation of the biosphere's Net Primary Productivity: ~50% at the moment;
» Human overshoot of over 50% according to the Global Footprint Network;

Then there are the social, political and economic factors:
» Increasing instability of global financial system;
» Increasingly extended and fragile supply chains;
» Rising fuel and food costs;
» Loss of economic opportunities around the world due to slowing growth;
» Increasing disparity between rich and poor;
» Increasing disenfranchisement of the poor;
» Increasing authoritarianism by governments in order to suppress growing dissent (or the potential for dissent) due to the previous four points.

There are three related reasons I think that collapse is the likely outcome, rather than just a series of isolated and correctable failures. The first is that the system of global civilization contains too many interlocking existential risks to allow us to avoid them all - or even most of them. The second is that no person or group that has the authority to change the system as a whole in order to avoid failures. The third is that there is too much opposition even to regional changes - too much of the world depends on the continuation of BAU, so any disruption of the current path represents not only a loss of profits, but a potential loss of lives in vulnerable regions.

Growth-oriented BAU is entrenched vigorously defended, and the stresses at multiple points in the system are demonstrably increasing. A failure under these circumstances has an increasing chance of producing a cascade. Any significant cascade failure that implicates multiple human systems and their underlying ecological support has a good chance of proving devastating. IMO.

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Ah... the joy of being able to confidently say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #1
Early is wrong. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #7
data, not anecdote FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
But that's why if you look at my post I used the CRB. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #13
Ah... but you're not reading it right. FBaggins Jun 2014 #15
The problem with that argument is... Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #16
Many DUers have already come to this conclusion. upaloopa Jun 2014 #2
If we paid the true environmental cost for what we do The2ndWheel Jun 2014 #3
just a vague memory that supports you some ? Leme Jun 2014 #5
Great. Just great. Damn hippies. We were right all along. postulater Jun 2014 #4
I recently turned 70. It appears to me collapse is already happening, just slowly, enough Jun 2014 #6
like a frog in a slowly warming pot..getting uncomfortable...soon dead nt Leme Jun 2014 #14
There's nothing like an LtG thread to draw the cornucopians out of the woodwork, eh? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #8
DUzy phantom power Jun 2014 #9
1914 to 1960 was a lot worse for humanity, by many many orders of magnitude. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #10
That's a very hard comparison to make NickB79 Jun 2014 #17
That's a reasonable argument to make, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #18
The problem with complex systems is that up until they fail things look fairly normal. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #19
The problem with your thesis is right in front of you. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #20
From where I sit, things ARE happening now. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21
On the political and economic points. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #23
Some support for the contrarian point of view GliderGuider Jun 2014 #24
Talking globally, not just the US, on the authoritarianism part. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #25
We have very different world views. nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #26
Obviously. FBaggins Jun 2014 #27
Everyone's reality is influenced by their worldview. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #28
Evidence of creeping government authoritarianism in Canada GliderGuider Jun 2014 #30
Agreed that Canada's politics are heading downhill fast. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #31
Would "Nigeria with polar bears" be too much hyperbole for you? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #32
Well, yeah. Now, if you get your own version of Boko Haram.... n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #33
Well, we do have the Partie Quebecois... nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #34
An interesting "short paper", that basically says "shit happens" regardless system safety measures. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #22
The world is not divided into just Malthusians and Cornucopians FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
Does the name Bilderberg Group ring a bell? defacto7 Jun 2014 #29
Nobody wants to spook the horses. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #35
True. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2014 #36
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