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Benton D Struckcheon

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23. On the political and economic points.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jun 2014

Number three I already showed is false, with actual data.
Number four is absolutely not true, globally. This is actually a period when more people have risen out of poverty, both absolutely and as a percent of the global population, than any other time, ever.
Number five is completely and utterly untrue. The poor are far more enfranchised now, in both India and China, than they were in the first half of the twentieth century.
In South America, most of the continent is now ruled democratically.
Number seven was far more true in the first half of the twentieth century than now. Mao, Stalin and Hitler are all dead and gone, and the countries they ruled are in various states of better governance now than they were under these dictators. That covers well more than half of humanity. Throw in India and you have three quarters of the world population who's governance is much better than it was then.

The first part, about the ecology, is likely true, but I'm no expert, so I'm wary of agreeing categorically, given that the politics and economics don't show the stresses you say they do. Overstating or simply repeating, in the face of obvious evidence you're wrong, doesn't make me trust that first part.

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Ah... the joy of being able to confidently say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #1
Early is wrong. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #7
data, not anecdote FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
But that's why if you look at my post I used the CRB. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #13
Ah... but you're not reading it right. FBaggins Jun 2014 #15
The problem with that argument is... Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #16
Many DUers have already come to this conclusion. upaloopa Jun 2014 #2
If we paid the true environmental cost for what we do The2ndWheel Jun 2014 #3
just a vague memory that supports you some ? Leme Jun 2014 #5
Great. Just great. Damn hippies. We were right all along. postulater Jun 2014 #4
I recently turned 70. It appears to me collapse is already happening, just slowly, enough Jun 2014 #6
like a frog in a slowly warming pot..getting uncomfortable...soon dead nt Leme Jun 2014 #14
There's nothing like an LtG thread to draw the cornucopians out of the woodwork, eh? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #8
DUzy phantom power Jun 2014 #9
1914 to 1960 was a lot worse for humanity, by many many orders of magnitude. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #10
That's a very hard comparison to make NickB79 Jun 2014 #17
That's a reasonable argument to make, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #18
The problem with complex systems is that up until they fail things look fairly normal. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #19
The problem with your thesis is right in front of you. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #20
From where I sit, things ARE happening now. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #21
On the political and economic points. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #23
Some support for the contrarian point of view GliderGuider Jun 2014 #24
Talking globally, not just the US, on the authoritarianism part. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #25
We have very different world views. nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #26
Obviously. FBaggins Jun 2014 #27
Everyone's reality is influenced by their worldview. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #28
Evidence of creeping government authoritarianism in Canada GliderGuider Jun 2014 #30
Agreed that Canada's politics are heading downhill fast. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #31
Would "Nigeria with polar bears" be too much hyperbole for you? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #32
Well, yeah. Now, if you get your own version of Boko Haram.... n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #33
Well, we do have the Partie Quebecois... nt GliderGuider Jun 2014 #34
An interesting "short paper", that basically says "shit happens" regardless system safety measures. Starboard Tack Jun 2014 #22
The world is not divided into just Malthusians and Cornucopians FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
Does the name Bilderberg Group ring a bell? defacto7 Jun 2014 #29
Nobody wants to spook the horses. GliderGuider Jun 2014 #35
True. (n/t) Nihil Jun 2014 #36
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