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FBaggins

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31. Sorry... you've confused your logical fallacies.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

Nobody has asked you to prove a negative. The burden of proof (the fallacy you're missing) is on you since you're the one that claimed an effect from the radiation 70 years earlier. You can't make a claim and then say that although there is no evidence (at all) that it's possible, it can't be proven impossible... so the argument stands.

In fact, the reality that it is impossible can be proven... (since your claim requires not just a never-before-seen effect of radiation... but also mathematically impossible requirements like multiple simultaneous identical mutations in areas hundreds of miles from the blast)

There hasn't been concerted and sufficient research

Again... that's just nonsense. I don't know where people get off assuming that there just hasn't been much research into the subject when it has been studied in depth for decades... including this specific group (the children and grandchildren of the bombing survivors). One set of examples:

Our long-term study of a large cohort of offspring of atomic-bomb survivors screens regularly for possible effects of parental preconception exposure to radiation. The latest mortality study (Izumi et al, 2003) suggested that such exposure did not lead to increased cancer mortality rates in childhood and young adulthood among the offspring born in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This finding is consistent with earlier studies of the cohort, which found no dose-dependent increases in mortality (Kato et al, 1966; Neel et al, 1974; Yoshimoto et al, 1991; Little et al, 1994), childhood cancer (Yoshimoto et al, 1990), untoward pregnancy outcomes (Neel and Schull, 1956; Otake et al, 1990), cytogenetic abnormalities (Awa et al, 1987), or loss of enzyme activity (Neel et al, 1988).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2394417/


And what is Fukushima but a slow-release, 24/7 nuclear bomb?

Just about anything really... it's in almost no sense a "slow-release, 24/7 nuclear bomb". Dose rates were far lower (the highest doses at Fukushima are well below the lowest doses used in Hiroshima/Nagasaki cohorts) and fell rapidly (and continue to fall) - while atom bomb doses have much MUCH higher proportions of more-dangerous and longer-lived isotopes like plutonium and strontium. Also (unlike Fukushima - despite Gundersen's ignorance on the subject) nuclear bombs actually do produce "hot particles".

Oh... and of course the nuclear bombs killed roughly a couple hundred thousand people just in the blasts.

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Fukushima's Children are Dying [View all] unhappycamper Jun 2014 OP
Before the nay-sayers post, I want to emphasize Demeter Jun 2014 #1
He's no journalist when it comes to anything nuclear FBaggins Jun 2014 #3
So are you saying this is made up? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #6
Yes... he made it up entirely FBaggins Jun 2014 #7
Here's some actual reporting for comparison FBaggins Jun 2014 #9
That's really interesting. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #11
Nobody can say for certain... FBaggins Jun 2014 #15
Half of almost any group having what I would think of as medical Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #17
True... but you have to ask yourself... FBaggins Jun 2014 #18
Especially when this is the SECOND time Japan has suffered massive irradiation, you mean? Demeter Jun 2014 #20
Lol... nice try. Let's play a game. FBaggins Jun 2014 #22
From the website: Children of the Atomic Bomb Demeter Jun 2014 #23
So...um... that's 6-0 in my favor, eh? FBaggins Jun 2014 #24
BUT--the Fukushima disaster is the gift that keeps on giving Demeter Jun 2014 #25
Sorry... you don't get to play games with reality. FBaggins Jun 2014 #27
Have a nice, big dose of reality, with your radiation, Baggins Demeter Jun 2014 #28
Lol... was that an oddly-worded apology? Or did you not even read what you posted? FBaggins Jun 2014 #29
You can't prove a negative Demeter Jun 2014 #30
Sorry... you've confused your logical fallacies. FBaggins Jun 2014 #31
You are a nuclear apologist, and there's far too much to apologize for Demeter Jun 2014 #32
How predictable FBaggins Jun 2014 #37
For three years Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2
In order for the talking point to go away... FBaggins Jun 2014 #4
'Dose' also has a time component. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #5
That's incorrect FBaggins Jun 2014 #8
You've got it exactly backwards. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #10
Nope. FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
Ah, ok Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #14
No problem at all FBaggins Jun 2014 #16
Actually looking at what you said, I think we Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #13
I don't see any info that a child has actually died from Fukishima. OnlinePoker Jun 2014 #19
Cancer takes a while. Check back in ten years. Demeter Jun 2014 #21
Nothing to see here...move along. deathrind Jun 2014 #26
This is horrible that so many children are dying. We must get rid of nuclear power plants for good. WilliamTuckness Jun 2014 #33
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #34
Fukushima: Another Disaster The Nuclear/Radiation Cartel Lies About Wo49 Jun 2014 #35
You're going to use your very first post to shill for the lunatic fringe? FBaggins Jun 2014 #36
Welcome to D.U., Wo49. We are clearly deeply disrespected by the corporate "news" media. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2014 #38
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