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theHandpuppet

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33. Thanks for taking the time to compose such a cogent and informative post
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jul 2014

Believe me, you have made some very good points and I would be the last person to discourage anyone from voting or activism. In the case of the WV spill (and not only the WV spill, but similar spills in OH, VA, and NC) there doesn't seem to be a single government agency that didn't fail in its job. OSHA, the CDC, the EPA, the courts, you name it. This was a failure on multiple fronts and a good portion was assisted by the very government agencies whose job it is to protect the citizenry.

This is the kind of keystone cops operation we've been following at Appalachia group and here's a sampling:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/127219
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1272244
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1272128

Yes, you can have laws in place but they won't do the people any good if they are not enforced. It reminds me of all the supposed protections put in place for miners:

WHARTON, W.Va. (AP) — Two miners who were killed on the job Monday night worked in a coalfield that had so many safety problems federal officials deemed it a "pattern violator," a rare designation reserved for the industry's worst offenders.

Brody Mine No. 1 was one of only three mines last year to earn the label that regulators have put greater emphasis on since the 2010 Upper Big Branch explosion killed 29 miners about 10 miles away.

The designation subjects the mine to greater scrutiny from regulators, and it's the strongest tool the Mine Safety and Health Administration has, said Kevin Stricklin, the agency's administrator of coal mine safety and health.

"We just do not have the ability or authority to shut a mine just because it has so many violations," Stricklin told The Associated Press on Tuesday.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/13/brody-coal-mine-accident-wv_n_5315496.html

So if you own a company, you can get away with 253 serious violations in one year (at one mine!), kill miners, declare bankruptcy and start all over again, fresh as a daisy. Yea, capitalism!

In the case of West Virginia, every major state office save one is held by the Democratic Party, as are both houses. What would you have them do now? Do you wonder why they have given up hope? I don't.

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Federal agencies need to be able to levy far bigger fines. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #1
the fine should be multiples of the cost to maintain it in the first place elehhhhna Jul 2014 #2
The water is still poisoned Warpy Jul 2014 #3
And since they've already declared bankruptcy (how convenient)... theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #6
What a sad joke abelenkpe Jul 2014 #4
But ... but ... but ... government regulations are killing American businesses! earthside Jul 2014 #5
Regulations? Bah! theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #7
Federal fines for egregious Kelvin Mace Jul 2014 #8
I think that's an excellent suggestion. theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #9
Now, now. Orrex Jul 2014 #10
I'd heard about that. theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #11
He might have to wash the Governor's windows. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #20
Ridiculous corruption. nt stillwaiting Jul 2014 #12
Fines are not adequate. RoccoR5955 Jul 2014 #13
This is how the game is played theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #15
That's 4 cents per poisoning. KurtNYC Jul 2014 #14
And if the owners had a different color of skin, they'd be in Gitmo. sinkingfeeling Jul 2014 #16
Prison at least. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #19
Corporate death penalty please. JEB Jul 2014 #17
Yes, that is one hefty fine. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #18
For regulations to work, violations must bring serious consequences. Fines must be hefty. tclambert Jul 2014 #21
But what happens when the company just avoids the fines by declaring bankruptcy? theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #24
Corporations were formed to avoid legal liability. The laws clearly protect them too much. tclambert Jul 2014 #27
All excellent points! theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #28
May I suggest a slight correction? mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2014 #22
To be honest, OSHA was all part of this comedy of (tragic) errors theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #25
OMG, a classic case of government over-reach! Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #23
Not bad. Treant Jul 2014 #26
OSHA cannot fine for 300K people, only workplace violations endangering workers. freshwest Jul 2014 #29
Thanks for taking the time to compose such a cogent and informative post theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #33
Failure in terms of ensuring that the US public is able to remain healthy and safe is truedelphi Jul 2014 #34
This is great information theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #35
Appalachia group and community rights. Got it. truedelphi Jul 2014 #36
Ok that's for the workplace hootinholler Jul 2014 #30
If California can dissolve companies, so can other states. ancianita Jul 2014 #31
Freedumb™ GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #32
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