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NYC_SKP

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16. I felt compelled to check the sources for some of those charts. "Well to Wheel" efficiency my ass.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:27 AM
Sep 2014

I don't mind calling it Hydrogen Industry claptrap and skewed and bad data.

The comparative efficiency chart traces back to this page: http://cleancaroptions.com/html/about_us.html

Origin of this web site. The simulation work that forms the basis of this web site grew out of a summer retreat of the Board of Directors of the National Hydrogen Association in 2007. The NHA directors decided that we needed to develop a credible model to compare all the alternative fuels and vehicles, so that others could judge the relative merits of hybrids, plug-in hybrids, biofuels, battery electric vehicles and hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicles.snip

In May of 2010, Dr. Thomas was awarded the Jules Verne award for “superior service” by the International Association of Hydrogen Energy at the 18th World Hydrogen Energy Conference in Essen, Germany. The inscription on this award reads “for his leadership in system studies, analyses, and entrepreneurship in development and commercialization of hydrogen technologies.”


It seems a waste of energy to argue with someone so wholly committed to a single solution, willing to post such bad information.

I like your OP chart, which shows for the Spark EV which utility provider was selected for comparison. This indicates knowledge of energy infrastructure unlike those who say that EVs run on coal.

No they don't, unless they run on electricity coming from a coal-heavy electric utility provider.

That "comparison of total efficiency" "well to wheel" chart exists nowhere except the Japan Hydrogen Fuel Cell project and Toyota-promoted sites, and the data is totally skewed, comparing values for EVs under the assumption that the electricity is coming from thermal plants.

It may well be fair data for Japan in 2006, but I live in California in 2014.

Thanks for the OP.


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Chevy Spark Is Unobtainable In Most Of The US cantbeserious Sep 2014 #1
As are many of the vehicles on that list caraher Sep 2014 #2
Message deleted by DU the Administrators nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #3
What is the lifetime of any car? caraher Sep 2014 #6
I felt compelled to check the sources for some of those charts. "Well to Wheel" efficiency my ass. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #16
Automobile culture needs to die. hunter Sep 2014 #4
I agree caraher Sep 2014 #5
'Jet Setters' need to be eliminated first. quadrature Sep 2014 #9
If we don't solve this problem, Mother Nature will in her billions of years, very old ways. hunter Sep 2014 #10
A self-driving car to pick you up? GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #11
I'm not thinking something like a New York Taxi driven by a robot... hunter Sep 2014 #12
FCEVs are an attempt to maintain a fueling infrastructure stranglehold. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #7
Honda proves you wrong nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #13
How much for a home filling system? What's the efficiency loss versus EVs? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #14
Bernie Sanders Julian_Cox May 2015 #17
Welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2015 #18
Excellent post! notemason May 2015 #19
I'm not Elon Musk Julian_Cox May 2015 #21
But we can make Hydrogen from the Bullshit! mackdaddy May 2015 #20
The infrastructure growth requirements are daunting for hydrogen caraher Sep 2014 #8
I agree. There's a place in the energy world for Hydrogen, but it's not in passenger vehicles. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #15
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