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GliderGuider

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5. Dictatorships did address (if not reverse) excessive growth in both Edo Japan and China
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

As I said though, there's no reason to expect that they would do that in general.

However, "capitalism" as we know it doesn't much care what nominal political system it grows on. So long as the compliance of the politicians can be ensured, the system can take whatever shape it wants. That may be the true genius of the modern economy - both democracies and authoritarian governments can be suborned, given enough money.

When economic growth is no longer possible, de-growth will become the norm. Does a collapsing economy require an authoritarian government in order for a nation state to remain coherent? I think that most nominal democracies that have faced such a situation begin to look more and more authoritarian over time.

Most countries that have emphasized universal education for women have seen a decline in growth rates, but not necessarily in absolute growth. It has normally taken a parallel economic collapse to do that, as seen in the ex-Soviet bloc nations.

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Alas. Totally agree with your post Bigmack Oct 2014 #1
The most important aspect of "de-growth" is in reducing the total population. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #2
Very thought-inducing points. 2naSalit Oct 2014 #3
Universal education of women has led to population declines on point Oct 2014 #4
Dictatorships did address (if not reverse) excessive growth in both Edo Japan and China GliderGuider Oct 2014 #5
would dictatorships really reduce growth? DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #6
Not necessarily. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #7
We have to break our stereotype that a growing economy is good... ffr Oct 2014 #8
Growth is easy. Everyone gets more. Hooray! The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #10
Even an authoritarian government needs to grow to be effective The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #9
That's one of the things that derailed China's OCP. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #11
Communites that successfully implement "degrowth" do not show up in the history books. hunter Oct 2014 #12
I agree that political labels have little relevance. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #13
Interesting question, GliderGuider. I suspect a sufficient number of citizens are right now Hortensis Oct 2014 #14
There were some improvements, in our own power plants for example... hunter Oct 2014 #18
You make a good argument for population control madokie Oct 2014 #15
The arguments are sound, but arguments don't carry the day on this issue. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #16
Like seeking volunteers for the Soylent factory One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #17
The only experience we have of actual degrowth pscot Oct 2014 #19
Wealthy elites are less concerned about AGW than the public cprise Oct 2014 #20
What major developed nations are neither oligarchic nor authoritarian? GliderGuider Oct 2014 #21
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