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GliderGuider

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16. The arguments are sound, but arguments don't carry the day on this issue.

Reply to madokie (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:12 AM

Oct 2014

Population is a deeply emotional issue for most people, doubly so for those with children. Even activists who are aware of overpopulation as a crisis issue are content to point to the gradual deceleration of fertility rates - even as our absolute numbers continue to rise, and consumption and environmental devastation continue apace.

Overt population control is, and will remain, off the table, probably until we are well into the rupture of civil societies around the world. As always, it will be a reaction to events that have already occurred.

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Is democracy compatible with de-growth? [View all] GliderGuider Oct 2014 OP

Alas. Totally agree with your post Bigmack Oct 2014 #1

The most important aspect of "de-growth" is in reducing the total population. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #2

Very thought-inducing points. 2naSalit Oct 2014 #3

Universal education of women has led to population declines on point Oct 2014 #4

Dictatorships did address (if not reverse) excessive growth in both Edo Japan and China GliderGuider Oct 2014 #5

would dictatorships really reduce growth? DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #6

Not necessarily. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #7

We have to break our stereotype that a growing economy is good... ffr Oct 2014 #8

Growth is easy. Everyone gets more. Hooray! The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #10

Even an authoritarian government needs to grow to be effective The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #9

That's one of the things that derailed China's OCP. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #11

Communites that successfully implement "degrowth" do not show up in the history books. hunter Oct 2014 #12

I agree that political labels have little relevance. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #13

Interesting question, GliderGuider. I suspect a sufficient number of citizens are right now Hortensis Oct 2014 #14

There were some improvements, in our own power plants for example... hunter Oct 2014 #18

You make a good argument for population control madokie Oct 2014 #15

The arguments are sound, but arguments don't carry the day on this issue. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #16

Like seeking volunteers for the Soylent factory One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #17

The only experience we have of actual degrowth pscot Oct 2014 #19

Wealthy elites are less concerned about AGW than the public cprise Oct 2014 #20

What major developed nations are neither oligarchic nor authoritarian? GliderGuider Oct 2014 #21