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20. Wealthy elites are less concerned about AGW than the public
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:57 PM
Oct 2014

I would even say that is the nature of the problem itself: In a plutocracy/oligarchy the rich can always displace the poor from any place they identify as an environmental "high ground", and dump the consequences of cheap-and-polluting processes onto the poor. They have every reason to stall as long as they can tell themselves their offspring will have greater advantages in a world that takes its revenge on people who will become ever more desperate to serve them.

The elites are using the un-democratic features of the system to prevent change, and their tendency for obstruction and denial increase as the gulf between rich and poor increases. I suspect if we had something closer to a true/direct democracy then there would be plenty of political capital available for exploring degrowth.

There may be *some* way of moving toward more democracy (or at least reversing the oligarchic trend) if computers can be adapted to the task. However, the mass-market components of today would just create more BBV (black box voting) scenarios which are a step backward. Emerging open systems would need to be adapted to the task of voting almost on a daily basis.

Such an experiment would be preferable to authoritarian systems, IMO.

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Alas. Totally agree with your post Bigmack Oct 2014 #1
The most important aspect of "de-growth" is in reducing the total population. Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #2
Very thought-inducing points. 2naSalit Oct 2014 #3
Universal education of women has led to population declines on point Oct 2014 #4
Dictatorships did address (if not reverse) excessive growth in both Edo Japan and China GliderGuider Oct 2014 #5
would dictatorships really reduce growth? DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #6
Not necessarily. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #7
We have to break our stereotype that a growing economy is good... ffr Oct 2014 #8
Growth is easy. Everyone gets more. Hooray! The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #10
Even an authoritarian government needs to grow to be effective The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #9
That's one of the things that derailed China's OCP. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #11
Communites that successfully implement "degrowth" do not show up in the history books. hunter Oct 2014 #12
I agree that political labels have little relevance. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #13
Interesting question, GliderGuider. I suspect a sufficient number of citizens are right now Hortensis Oct 2014 #14
There were some improvements, in our own power plants for example... hunter Oct 2014 #18
You make a good argument for population control madokie Oct 2014 #15
The arguments are sound, but arguments don't carry the day on this issue. GliderGuider Oct 2014 #16
Like seeking volunteers for the Soylent factory One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #17
The only experience we have of actual degrowth pscot Oct 2014 #19
Wealthy elites are less concerned about AGW than the public cprise Oct 2014 #20
What major developed nations are neither oligarchic nor authoritarian? GliderGuider Oct 2014 #21
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