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OKIsItJustMe

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47. I didn’t really intend to “drag” you anywhere
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:37 AM
Feb 2012

I was simply showing one of the multiple posts I was responding to.

I don’t think that letting a car sit idle once is abusing it.

http://theunderstatement.com/post/18030062041/its-a-brick-tesla-motors-devastating-design

[font face=Times,Times New Roman,Serif]February 21, 2012
[font size=5]“It’s A Brick” – Tesla Motors’ Devastating Design Problem[/font]

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A Tesla Roadster that is simply parked without being plugged in will eventually become a “brick”. The parasitic load from the car’s always-on subsystems continually drains the battery and if the battery’s charge is ever totally depleted, it is essentially destroyed. Complete discharge can happen even when the car is plugged in if it isn’t receiving sufficient current to charge, which can be caused by something as simple as using an extension cord. After battery death, the car is completely inoperable. At least in the case of the Tesla Roadster, it’s not even possible to enable tow mode, meaning the wheels will not turn and the vehicle cannot be pushed nor transported to a repair facility by traditional means.

The amount of time it takes an unplugged Tesla to die varies. Tesla’s Roadster Owners Manual {Full Zipped PDF} states that the battery should take approximately 11 weeks of inactivity to completely discharge {Page 5-2, Column 3: PDF}. However, that is from a full 100% charge. If the car has been driven first, say to be parked at an airport for a long trip, that time can be substantially reduced. If the car is driven to nearly its maximum range and then left unplugged, it could potentially “brick” in about one week.[font size=1]1[/font] Many other scenarios are possible: for example, the car becomes unplugged by accident, or is unwittingly plugged into an extension cord that is defective or too long.

When a Tesla battery does reach total discharge, it cannot be recovered and must be entirely replaced. Unlike a normal car battery, the best-case replacement cost of the Tesla battery is currently at least $32,000, not including labor and taxes that can add thousands more to the cost.

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This (to my mind) is a serious design flaw.

Has it happened to 5 people?


Of the approximately 2,200 Roadsters sold to date, a regional service manager for Tesla stated he was personally aware of at least five cases of Tesla Roadsters being “bricked” due to battery depletion. It is unknown if there are additional cases in other regions or countries.



Assuming this statement is not a complete fabrication, it has happened to at least 5 people (probably more.)

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This seems... not good... nt Xipe Totec Feb 2012 #1
I call bullshit. TheWraith Feb 2012 #2
Good Grief!!! intaglio Feb 2012 #5
5 is more than 'a couple' n2doc Feb 2012 #6
They don't have five examples. Actually, they only have one identified. TheWraith Feb 2012 #9
Please explain how a brand new car" has no oil in it The Croquist Feb 2012 #16
If I decide to run a brand new car without ever changing the oil, or adding more... TheWraith Feb 2012 #33
False analogy; this is more like driving the car without gasing up. Xipe Totec Feb 2012 #41
Exactly - I guess we blame driving without oil on a "devastating design problem". wtmusic Feb 2012 #17
So you were the one who wrote that idiotic comment on their blog? n2doc Feb 2012 #23
I didn't write any comments on the guy's blog. TheWraith Feb 2012 #35
That doesn't work either. Try this: kristopher Feb 2012 #43
Even if they have "five examples", that doesn't mean "five different owners" Nihil Feb 2012 #46
Just a couple of $40,000 uninsurable losses.... Xipe Totec Feb 2012 #40
Oh my... that will totally destroy any future, if they dont quickly address it. hlthe2b Feb 2012 #3
To forestall the usual panic-rumor-gossip, not an issue on most EVs dmallind Feb 2012 #4
A well designed EV should do just that n/t n2doc Feb 2012 #7
If Tesla doesn't incorporate such a device on their vehicles, a recall is in order wtmusic Feb 2012 #14
I call BS tech3149 Feb 2012 #8
I love how quickly people call any information they don’t like BS OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #10
Pretty easy to seize a car by running without oil too dmallind Feb 2012 #11
Will you ruin that car if you don’t use if for a month? OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #13
Nissan is lying jeff47 Feb 2012 #48
I love how people take any reference to a story as confirmation. TheWraith Feb 2012 #12
Read what Tesla wrote OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #15
Here's something else they wrote...it's called an "Owner's Manual". wtmusic Feb 2012 #18
This is a far cry from saying the the problem doesn’t exist. OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #21
Well I guess an EV is different than an internal-combustion car, isn't it? wtmusic Feb 2012 #22
Sorry, that doesn’t cut it OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #26
Then I would suggest you don't buy one. wtmusic Feb 2012 #28
Seriously? OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #30
The Roadster also predated the Leaf by three years wtmusic Feb 2012 #32
Nissan uses weasel words. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #34
File that under "No shit." TheWraith Feb 2012 #36
Why don't you stop spreading FUD about EVs? kristopher Feb 2012 #19
I’m not spreading anything OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #20
Yes you are. kristopher Feb 2012 #24
This isn’t my thread OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #27
No, you joined the effort to spread FUD kristopher Feb 2012 #29
Thank you for (once again) telling me what my intentions are OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #31
Since you appear to want to drag me into this sub-thread... TheWraith Feb 2012 #38
I didn’t really intend to “drag” you anywhere OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #47
Tesla could warranty this issue away if they wanted. tinrobot Feb 2012 #25
So Tesla should pony up $40,000 a pop because of the user's negligence? TheWraith Feb 2012 #37
Absolutely yes they should. bananas Feb 2012 #44
Maybe set it up so a self-powered car alarm fired off when the charge got too low... hunter Feb 2012 #39
It already does the first bit ... Nihil Feb 2012 #45
Considering that the battery management and motor control systems have a long history, IDemo Feb 2012 #42
Seems to me that if you don't want a $100,000 brick... TreasonousBastard Feb 2012 #49
Such are the problems with emerging technologies. NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #50
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