More than 68% of New European Electricity Capacity Came From Wind and Solar in 2011

[Nihil]

47. I'm not the one who is dodging the facts by constantly raising the "nuclear" red herring.

I have repeatedly made honest arguments only to have them ignored & deflected
by rubbish about "nuclear support".

Let's try again ...

>> That is why I asked you to relate how the interplay of these technologies will
>> unfold as we move away from carbon. Why don't you lay out how the hoped
>> for transition will occur? Since you say that I'm trying to "defend natural gas"
>> explain how preserving large scale centralized thermal (nuclear and coal) is
>> preferable to restructuring our energy machine (the grid) to make it hospitable
>> to renewables while also getting immediate reductions in emissions.

1) Nuclear power stations will be retired and not replaced (as has been happening).

2) Primary renewables (wind, PV) will increase (as has been happening).

3) Large-scale hydro is largely tapped out and, additionally, suffering from the effects
of the various droughts across the EU but will remain a significant contribution that
needs to neither decrease nor increase.

4) Secondary renewables (biomass, waste, geothermal, small hydro, tidal) will gradually
increase but are unlikely to contribute significantly to the short-term fight to replace
fossil fuels.

5) In the strategy to move *away* from carbon, the increasing contribution of renewables
*should* result in the closing of oil- coal- and gas-fired plants (as has happened already
to oil-fired but is yet to happen to coal or gas fired plants) thus decreasing the output
of CO2 from the electricity generation segment of human life.

6) If #5 has been achieved before #1 has resulted in zero nuclear plants, the process
of points 2, 3 & 4 should continue in order to speed up #1.


Now tell me how *increasing* the contribution of coal and *increasing* the contribution
of gas is going to achieve #5.


>> I'd really love to hear your vision of how that works.

I bet you don't as it doesn't fit your preconceived opinion of what my vision is.