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GliderGuider

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54. I'm with you on the first four

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:21 PM

Nov 2014

But I think that your fifth level can be derived from the first four.

For me the main utility in ditching the concept of free will was that I could finally stop blaming people for doing what they do. Those who want to continue with the blame and outrage will find "free will" to be a most supportive belief.

It doesn't really matter what we believe, though. Life goes on within us or without us...

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Denying Problems When We Don�t Like the Solutions (perhaps somewhat off-topic) [View all] OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 OP

I think Hatrack's Principle covers it pscot Nov 2014 #1

No, I don't think those are sufficient explanations OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #3

When CSPAN first appeared pscot Nov 2014 #4

You and I "believe" we are able to transcend our tool monkeydom. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #5

Nonsense OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #6

Spoil or heal, it's all just change The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #7

Is this what you had in mind? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #8

That about sums it up The2ndWheel Nov 2014 #30

Very true! GliderGuider Nov 2014 #33

�Tool monkey� is two words, each of which describes a different aspect of Homo sapiens. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #9

Uh huh OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #10

Yet despite all those falling fertility rates, GliderGuider Nov 2014 #11

I�m sorry� do you expect to turn a battleship on a dime? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #13

Are we consuming less? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #14

Some of us are consuming less OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #16

Show me that developed nations are consuming less real goods. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #18

Interesting OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #20

Here is a look at a set of various raw materials and energy, with population growth GliderGuider Nov 2014 #21

A better look at the world's primary energy consumption GliderGuider Nov 2014 #22

Hmmm� You�re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #23

What facts have I presented that were incorrect? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #24

No� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #25

I never said anything about Malthusian rabbits. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #26

Have I misrepresented you? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #27

Here's a look at what's been happening to TFR and consumption rates GliderGuider Nov 2014 #12

So, for you, �Concrete� = �Consumption� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #15

It's a proxy, yes. nt GliderGuider Nov 2014 #17

Well that explains it! RiverLover Nov 2014 #2

conservatism ... image Bill USA Nov 2014 #19

There's plenty of denying problems when we like the solutions too. hunter Nov 2014 #28

Naturally, this is your opinion OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #29

"... based on nuclear fusion." hunter Nov 2014 #31

��worse than fossil fuel�� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #32

Turning the earth's biosphere into a pulsating blob of human protoplasm... hunter Nov 2014 #34

�At this stage of our development we humans would not be mourned.� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #35

And if humanity lives we will also take down the ecosystem. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #36

This is an article of faith for you OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #39

And likewise, your articles of faith are not mine. nt GliderGuider Nov 2014 #41

The universe is very big. hunter Nov 2014 #37

Viktor Frankl... GliderGuider Nov 2014 #38

How very nihlistic of you. OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #40

I'm not a nihlist in any way. hunter Nov 2014 #42

I'm talking about �existential hihlisim� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #43

Is there a problem with that position, in your opinion? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #44

It may be held to be logically valid OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #45

None of us is entirely logically consistent. Humans are not very logical beings, after all. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #46

�the only meaning (the universe) has is what humans impute to it" OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #47

What causes the intention to alter one's behaviour? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #48

Determinism is akin to �predestination� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #49

"If I have no free will, why do I waste time ... pretending that I do? " GliderGuider Nov 2014 #50

It seems to me that delusion is only an advantage if we have free will OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #51

Of course it seems like that to you. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #52

Actual free will is more useful OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #53

I'm with you on the first four GliderGuider Nov 2014 #54

It actually does matter OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #55

Look more closely at your examples. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #56

Blame (or fault finding) actually is important OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #57

Do you think I'm trying to persuade others? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #58

For someone who isn�t interested in persuading others, you certainly go out of your way� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #59

Why must I? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #60

Fascinating� OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #61

It's all about reward feedbacks. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #62