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GliderGuider

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10. And you point to G20 promises?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 04:59 PM
Nov 2014

One thing human beings are very good at is playing with words.

When the question is parsed out in terms of "meaningful actions being taken to reduce the amount of CO2 being put into the atmosphere" rather than "promises being made to reduce the rate of increase of emissions some time in the future", the correct answer is "None".

The only things that have been demonstrated to reduce the amount of CO2 emissions are economic recession or social collapse. That effect can be seen across the ex-Soviet bloc countries after the USSR collapsed, or the world-wide recession in 2008-2009. Nothing else has been shown to work. That's because CO2 emissions are inherently tied to economic activity. But triggering an economic collapse isn't exactly an action anyone would undertake to reduce emissions, is it?

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I guess it's early yet. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #1
Oh goodie. That means I can continue my carless fossil fuel based lifestyle ffr Nov 2014 #2
No, it doesn’t OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #3
One facet wouldn't convince me ffr Nov 2014 #4
This finding may mean the difference between “hopeless” and “serious” OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #5
I'd love to believe that, but what meaningful action is being taken ffr Nov 2014 #6
How about on a national scale? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #7
Is that because CO2 is so scrupulous at respecting national borders? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #8
The question “what meaningful action is being taken on a mass scale” was asked. OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #9
And you point to G20 promises? GliderGuider Nov 2014 #10
Go back and look at the graphs. OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #11
It looks to me like the European graph mostly shows them running into economic trouble. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #12
No doubt economics played a role OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #13
No doubt wind and solar are making some inroads in Europe. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #14
Perhaps you missed the title of the first graph OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #15
No, I didn't miss it. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #16
After a little more digging, I'm convinced that graph is pure bullshit. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #17
This may be helpful to you OKIsItJustMe Nov 2014 #18
So they just lopped off over 1/3 of all primary energy use with the stroke of a pen. GliderGuider Nov 2014 #19
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