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kristopher

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10. Storage isn't that critical for the grid.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:12 PM
Feb 2012

You've accurately identified its best use, however, which is something most people miss. Allow me to explain.

There are two different cases to be made for storage and renewables in the context of the grid. The first is to help smooth out grid variability caused by any reason - it might be variability caused by a) fluctuating output demands on the energy system or b) the variability associated with changes in generating inputs such as we see with wind or solar.

The second case for storage is the wasted energy from renewables when they are producing energy in excess of demand.

Due to end users turning power switches on an off, we have had to deal with grid variability long before variable renewables were a factor in any sense; so, the first case is something we already deal with using a variety of strategies and technologies. When we add in wind and solar, we change the profile of the grid a bit, but it is important to recognize the the operating profile of the grid is significantly different than that of any single source of generation. Trust me, when a nuclear plant has a problem and shuts down rapidly and unexpectedly it is much more significant to the grid than when a wave of wind travels between wind farms.

The second case for storage is what is starting to drive storage - it presents a new expanding economic opportunity to 'buy low/sell high'. But again, there are different ways to capitalize on that opportunity to time shift that energy supply, the most notable of which is the impending expansion of battery electric autos for personal transportation.

Off grid use is exactly as your post describes.

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wonderful, let's make this stuff in the USA, not imported from.... nt msongs Feb 2012 #1
One of the problems with solar is storage for later use. Yavapai Feb 2012 #2
Arizona is building a 500Mw solar molten sodium tower FogerRox Feb 2012 #3
They say that pumped hydro is one of the best. Yavapai Feb 2012 #7
Storage isn't that critical for the grid. kristopher Feb 2012 #10
I have 2 lines of thought FogerRox Feb 2012 #19
Thank you kristopher and FogerRox, Yavapai Feb 2012 #22
Molten sodium is intended for overnight FogerRox Feb 2012 #18
And molten sodium is not intended for use with PV OKIsItJustMe Feb 2012 #20
Right, has nothing to do with PV FogerRox Feb 2012 #21
When Denmark sells its wind power " for pennies", what fuel doesn't get used? nt kristopher Feb 2012 #5
Probably the same stuff that *does* get used when they buy back at much higher prices. nt Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #6
That doesn't necessarily follow. kristopher Feb 2012 #8
So, why don't you go find out and tell us? nt Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #9
Why don't you? kristopher Feb 2012 #11
I didn't ask the question Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #12
And the person I asked the question of has yet to respond. kristopher Feb 2012 #13
Words that don't apply to you, it seems. nt Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #14
Kris has been looking a little disheveled lately XemaSab Feb 2012 #15
Damnit, that reminds me, I gotta iron my shirt and pants for jury duty. joshcryer Feb 2012 #16
I'll swing by and give a you steam press and matching energy policy. nt Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #17
Chinese Tier-2 Modules Offered Below $1/W (as low as $0.80/W in Jan) kristopher Feb 2012 #4
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