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Bob Wallace

(549 posts)
3. Already being done?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 03:48 PM
Dec 2011

I have a hard time believing that wind farms are being built without environmental impact statements.

Don't federal regulations require impact reports?

BTW, bird kills per kWh/GWh is very low compared to some other forms of electricity generation. That's not to say that we should be careful about where we install and do what we can to minimize impact, but let's be careful to keep things in perspective.

"The study estimates that wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh. While this paper should be respected as a preliminary assessment, the estimate means that wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 14.5 million. The paper concludes that further study is needed, but also that fossil-fueled power stations appear to pose a much greater threat to avian wildlife than wind and nuclear power technologies."

http://nukefree.org/news/Avianmortalityfromwindpower,fossil-fuel,andnuclearelectricity

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I live next to a LARGE wind farm. I have never seen a bird hurt by it. Vincardog Dec 2011 #1
Not all windfarms are equal in this respect. Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #2
ABC might be unduly influenced by antirenewable interests. kristopher Dec 2011 #9
Naturally, the American Wind Energy Association cannot be considered entirely neutral in this matter OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #11
Naturally, however their information here does, in fact, have a high degree of validity. kristopher Dec 2011 #13
Swarovski = Big Optics XemaSab Dec 2011 #12
I reckon they've been paid off by Mitsubishi... Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #19
No wonder you are gaga over nuclear power. kristopher Dec 2011 #37
And people think the Germans have no sense of humour. nt Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #41
Already being done? Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #3
Federal agency proposes voluntary guidelines for wind power developers to avoid bird deaths XemaSab Dec 2011 #4
OK, I'm surprised... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #5
Audubon's Position on Wind Power OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #6
Today... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #7
”The government estimates that a minimum of 440,000 birds are currently killed each year…” OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #8
ABCbirds can’t get their story straight OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #14
Putting 440,000 bird deaths into perspective OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #15
. XemaSab Dec 2011 #16
Well, that certainly sucked OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #17
Power line pylon killed Berkley the adopted vulture, together with all the hopes of the environmenta OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #18
My friends in Ohio XemaSab Dec 2011 #20
Well, the conclusion (in this case) was that transmission lines should be made safer OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #25
Altamont Pass, a nasty start... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #28
Faster turbines, slower turbines OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #36
Yes, tip speed my be faster, but... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #39
But more vultures are killed by cats. Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #21
That's why you should keep your damn cat in the damn house XemaSab Dec 2011 #22
What, and pay for food? Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #23
Do they like rare, endemic parrots? XemaSab Dec 2011 #24
Nah... Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #26
I know how to stop a parrot from screeching OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #27
First, catch your parrot... Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #30
Beautiful plumage… OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #35
Here’s a fascinating study OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #10
There's another "wind kills birds" piece floating around the web. Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #29
That's a little rich... Dead_Parrot Dec 2011 #31
Eh, power lines are a big contributor, too. joshcryer Dec 2011 #32
Yes, check out the studies I mentioned OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #34
I'm merely saying, it would be inaccurate to say "technology that requires X..." joshcryer Dec 2011 #42
So, the obvious answer is to bury the cables OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #43
Would burying cables actually be more expensive? Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #44
Estimates vary… OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #45
Yeah, but that's not happening and may not be necessary. joshcryer Dec 2011 #46
We wouldn’t want to save too many birds… (Right?) ;-) OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #47
Oh, I agree, absolutely. joshcryer Dec 2011 #48
Yes, it's Virginia OKIsItJustMe Dec 2011 #33
The NYT is turning into a POS when it comes to the environment... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #40
Mark Desholm is the leading authority on investigating avian interactions with wind technology kristopher Dec 2011 #38
Well meaning fools or AstroTurf? You decide. txlibdem Dec 2011 #49
Here's an LA Times article about this: XemaSab Dec 2011 #50
"an industry lobbying group" joshcryer Dec 2011 #51
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