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OKIsItJustMe

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16. “The big bottom line for me is the infrastructure, or lack thereof.”
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:40 PM
May 2015

(It would seem you didn’t see my reply about charging at work.)
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/112785104#post13

The hydrogen “infrastructure” problem is specious.

Many stations which now sell gasoline could sell hydrogen as well. Unlike gasoline, hydrogen can be generated on-site, or (like gasoline) it can be trucked in (or both.)

https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/california_stations/

[font face=Serif][font size=5]Sandia Labs News Releases[/font]

July 8, 2014

[font size=4]More California gas stations can provide H2 than previously thought, Sandia study says[/font]

[font size=3]LIVERMORE, Calif. — A study by researchers at Sandia National Laboratories concludes that a number of existing gas stations in California can safely store and dispense hydrogen, suggesting a broader network of hydrogen fueling stations may be within reach.

The report examined 70 commercial gasoline stations in the state of California and sought to determine which, if any, could integrate hydrogen fuel, based on the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) hydrogen technologies code published in 2011.

The study determined that 14 of the 70 gas stations involved in the study could readily accept hydrogen fuel and that 17 more possibly could accept hydrogen with property expansions. Under previous NFPA code requirements from 2005, none of the existing gasoline stations could readily accept hydrogen.



“Certain smaller gas stations, especially those in cities, have unusual shapes that aren’t going to accommodate the right separation distances,” San Marchi said. For example, he said, the required distance between a high-pressure tank carrying hydrogen and the property boundary would be too great for a “skinny” station or a wedge-shaped lot. While larger lots naturally work better in the current environment, San Marchi said, there are opportunities to develop risk mitigations that could allow even wider deployment of hydrogen fueling stations.

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It's a net energy loss from the start, and then we don't have a hydrogen infrastructure. Fail! Gregorian May 2015 #1
I've about had enough of your bullsh*t nationalize the fed May 2015 #2
I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing it for the people who might not know better. Gregorian May 2015 #3
“A net energy loss from the start” OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #6
I agree. Gregorian May 2015 #7
Except that I disagree; it’s far from a “no brainer” OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #8
Yes, but the topic is about cars, and that's not a best use. Gregorian May 2015 #10
The comparison to an internal combustion engine doesn’t seem apropos OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #11
Imperfect Graphene Opens Door to Better Fuel Cells OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #14
Sorry, I spaced on that reply. My brain was somewhere else. Gregorian May 2015 #15
“The big bottom line for me is the infrastructure, or lack thereof.” OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #16
I can't figure out how this will ever be economically feasible? mackdaddy May 2015 #4
Because it maintains a business model caraher May 2015 #5
I think Chu (and Toyota) are right OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #9
Not really. hunter May 2015 #12
Now, wait a second here OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #13
Ever compare the cost of a hydrogen fueling station to a charging station? caraher May 2015 #17
How many charging stations are needed to support as many cars as one filling station? OKIsItJustMe May 2015 #18
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