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Julian_Cox

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17. Bernie Sanders
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015

There are three major sources of power in this world. Science. Economics. Bullshit.

In your advocacy for Hydrogen you have failed classes one and two and put all your eggs in number three marking you as unquestionably and fundamentally unfit to govern in a world demanding wise and productive progress in the first two.

Wake up sir. Japan / Toyota treats the environment with exactly the same contempt as preserving whale populations. Toyota is interested in fending off assault on its market share from US-built EVs and Japan is interested in cessation of imports of US produced Natural Gas. By supporting this nonsense you have been hoodwinked or bought. It is anti-US, anti environment and it is not good enough.

Clean hydrogen does not scale. Any mainstream demand for hydrogen will be met with low cost fracking and in Asia from Methane Hydrates - these are the perfect feedstock for Steam Methane Reforming, the world's most copious GHG emitting mining and refining cycle. Coal does not even come close!

Japan (and Korea) is trying to move its energy economy from being a net importer of fossil fuels to exploitation of its own offshore Methane Hydrates (that is what Toyota is talking about when it markets a vehicle for the 'next 100 years'). They think they have 100 years worth of Methane Hydrates offshore - disturbing those deposits will be a terminal event for any hope of addressing greenhouse gas emissions.

As for your ignorance of relating BEVs with coal, that is a Koch industries Tea Party line - and you are supposed to be a Democrat? Renewable inputs to the US grid are far outstripping EV outputs (and new fossil fuel inputs). If anything overnight charging of the small population of EVs currently on the roads can be said to use overnight wind-power almost exclusively that would otherwise have been curtailed. What matters to those capable of seeing trends in the big picture is that the price of renewable production, and access to low cost, high efficiency consumption in the form of EVs is falling through the pricing floor of fossil fuel production and consumption. Not so with clean hydrogen where the economics of dirty production prevail owing to gross efficiency losses in the conversion of renewables to hydrogen and back-conversion to electricity for use. This is physics and economics 101.

Hydrogen greenwashing is therefore the most dangerous possible distraction owing to its ability to hoodwink the scientifically and economically illiterate, like you sir, with corner case PR examples like biomass and uneconomic solar electrolysis.

I'll leave you with *message to you from Mitsuhisa Kato (Exec Vice President of Toyota on the Japanese launch of the Mirai assault on US industry, the US taxpayer and the environment in California):

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*Note Kato-san's use of the word Naphtha. Do you know what that means? If not I'll tell you. It means Saudi Arabia and with it an end to considering Hydrogen as a hedge against dreams of Hydrogen delivering independence from foreign oil.

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As are many of the vehicles on that list caraher Sep 2014 #2
Message deleted by DU the Administrators nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #3
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I felt compelled to check the sources for some of those charts. "Well to Wheel" efficiency my ass. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #16
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If we don't solve this problem, Mother Nature will in her billions of years, very old ways. hunter Sep 2014 #10
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I'm not thinking something like a New York Taxi driven by a robot... hunter Sep 2014 #12
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How much for a home filling system? What's the efficiency loss versus EVs? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #14
Bernie Sanders Julian_Cox May 2015 #17
Welcome to DU gopiscrap May 2015 #18
Excellent post! notemason May 2015 #19
I'm not Elon Musk Julian_Cox May 2015 #21
But we can make Hydrogen from the Bullshit! mackdaddy May 2015 #20
The infrastructure growth requirements are daunting for hydrogen caraher Sep 2014 #8
I agree. There's a place in the energy world for Hydrogen, but it's not in passenger vehicles. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #15
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