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dmallind

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39. So let's say this wild scenario is actually real.

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:35 PM

Mar 2012

Even though I have a pic of max AC pulling <2, let's say 6 is possible because the dial says so (all cars of course have dials that only show usable range - which means my old 91 Taurus could do 140mph). Let's further say I live in the equatorial jungle and ALWAYS run it like that and thus get 30 miles less from every recharge. So instead of about 90 (there is only 20-21kWh usable from the 24) I get 60 miles. 60 miles from 22kWh (some loss there too) of .14c (more than national average for me!) so 60 m on 3.08 = 5.1c/mile

That's equal to 75mpg. And it's impossibly bad for the Leaf.

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Comparing Energy Costs per Mile for Electric and Gasoline Vehicles [View all] kristopher Mar 2012 OP

John Michael Greer on the electric car chaska Mar 2012 #1

There so many holes in that it would be hard to start madokie Mar 2012 #3

I was thinking that it would have been nice if Greer had included some numbers GliderGuider Mar 2012 #4

That same article was in the paper that the local rural electric co-op puts out madokie Mar 2012 #5

WRONG!!!!! PamW Mar 2012 #9

CORRECT!! PamW Mar 2012 #11

See post #25 kristopher Mar 2012 #37

Nothing there PamW Mar 2012 #41

It categorically refutes your conclusion kristopher Mar 2012 #43

Comparison of CO2 emissions by various technologies under differing policies kristopher Mar 2012 #25

Another factor to consider when looking hybrid/elecrtic vehicles is climate. liberal N proud Mar 2012 #2

I think that most if not all heat the seats and steering wheel rather than the air in the vehicle madokie Mar 2012 #6

You aren't going to get away with cooling the seats only in the south.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #7

Most of the time you'd pre-heat or pre-cool the EV before unplugging it txlibdem Mar 2012 #8

Taxing the batteries. PamW Mar 2012 #12

How is it taxing the batteries when the car is still plugged in? txlibdem Mar 2012 #13

You said the EV's would only have cooling for the seats and wheel.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #15

Draw well under a kilowatt. Heat is the main killer. Even AC isn't too bad. nt dmallind Mar 2012 #17

The average blow dryer is about a kilowatt.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #18

Well jeez I can believe you or my car's specs and consumption data dmallind Mar 2012 #26

Have you actually had it in really hot and humid weather yet? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #28

In Feb-Mar? No - but try this dmallind Mar 2012 #29

It looks like 11 miles is cut from your range if I'm reading the display correctly.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #30

The guessometer is called that for a reason. I get 4.6m/kW. dmallind Mar 2012 #31

Ah, some numbers to work with.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #33

EXACTLY!!! PamW Mar 2012 #35

Perhaps you could document the draw of a modern auto AC compressor. kristopher Mar 2012 #36

I found this article about electrically driven compressors for cars.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #38

So let's say this wild scenario is actually real. dmallind Mar 2012 #39

Oh, a misunderstanding. That was not me who posted that. txlibdem Mar 2012 #19

Oops.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #20

Don't be. When I became disabled I had to cancel my order for the Nissan Leaf txlibdem Mar 2012 #21

Sorry to hear of your troubles.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #24

No worries txlibdem Mar 2012 #34

My scenario PamW Mar 2012 #42

Granted, that would drain energy from the battery txlibdem Mar 2012 #44

I was just relating what I've read in their promotionals madokie Mar 2012 #22

WRONG!!!!! PamW Mar 2012 #10

watch this vid for a more realistic and optimistic take greenman3610 Mar 2012 #14

Electric vehicles are the only ones that will get cleaner as they get older txlibdem Mar 2012 #45

And the cheapest line is a high estimate dmallind Mar 2012 #16

You're a good driver. tinrobot Mar 2012 #23

Do you have hills? dmallind Mar 2012 #27

It's a mix... tinrobot Mar 2012 #32

Not real familiar with the BMW in great detail I'm afraid dmallind Mar 2012 #40