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71. One drop doesn't say anything about the long term trend?

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 01:18 AM

Dec 2011

How exactly would you like to define the "long term trend"? Here, pick whatever period you'd like to (feel free to cherry pick, because none of the choices support the CAGW view):

And if I were you I wouldn't make too much of the fact that Roy Spencer predicted a major drop in November that didn't happen and now hasn't updated his temps yet. If you recall, you posted new temperature numbers every week during 2010 when it was hot, but now that things have cooled down you seem to have forgotten how.

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