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Bill USA

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3. many tests have been done with E10. They always show a mileage decrement barely discernable ~ 2%.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jul 2015

With the Engine Control Module's modified to take full advantage of ethanol's higher octane mileage is improved significantly.

Fuel Freedom Foundation did a study with several FFVs and one non-FFV using various blends of Ethanol and Methanol. They modified the ECU's to take advantage of Ethanol's and Methanol's higher octane than gasoline.

http://www.fuelfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/white-paper_GGE-Sept-2013.pdf

They tested the cars with various blend levels from E0 to E85 (similar mix of blends of Methanol). They found the cars on Ethanol E85 averaged 17% better fuel efficiency than the BTU content estimate of mpg predicted (and BTU estimate does give a pretty good rough estimate of what FFVs with detuned engines - for low octane gasoline - achieve in terms of mpg). Using Methanol the improvement was 20%.

This was without doing anything to boost compression (as in turbo-charging) - just using optimal ignition timing. By using turbo-charging to get higher combustion chamber pressures (ethanol's higher octane will allow greater pressures than gasoline) you can produce more power per unit displacement and downsize the engine and achieve greater improvements in fuel efficiency.

Any difference in mileage for E10 is barely discernable (maybe 2%). This has been tested multiple times by Government labs.

THere really is no reason to get the poor mileage the FFVs get except to get along with (keep political contributions coming) the Oil industry.

Anybody involved in auto racing knows that alcohol is a better fuel than gasoline. burns cleaner and has higher octane and greater latent heat (another advantage when super-charging or turbo-charging).

Getting back to OP, the tests this group did were pretty straight-forward. Don't see any reason to doubt the results. Of course, engines do have to have seals and hoses made of material that can hold up to alcohol. Without those changes you can have problems. Autos since around 2001 are capable of handling E15 with no trouble.





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I find this hard to believe. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #1
not only problems with water, but edgineered Jul 2015 #2
NASCAR and INDY car teams don't seem to mind using ethanol (Indy cars 100%, NASCAR: E15) Bill USA Jul 2015 #4
Sure, they don't run old fuel. edgineered Jul 2015 #6
Ethanol does absorb water. something that you have to keep in mind if there are breaks between uses. Bill USA Jul 2015 #8
The maintenance done by professional racers is different than consumers OakCliffDem Jul 2015 #12
many tests have been done with E10. They always show a mileage decrement barely discernable ~ 2%. Bill USA Jul 2015 #3
We have a 2014 ford Focus madokie Jul 2015 #7
since 'we're' talking single cases here.. another study had two vehicles that did far Bill USA Jul 2015 #15
Yes I was using the 10% blend madokie Jul 2015 #19
Even at 52mpg, my motorcycle gains nothing from higher octane. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #9
no engine will gain the benefits of higher octane fuel without proper timing and compression ratio Bill USA Jul 2015 #14
I've tested this over many tanks. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #11
this is a sample size of "1". But, as I said, nothing it being done to take advantage of ethanol's Bill USA Jul 2015 #17
3 MIT scientists designed a Direct Injection ethanol turbocharged engine: 25% better fuel efficicien Bill USA Jul 2015 #18
Ethanol injected as a knock suppressant into a high compression engine may yield benefits. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #20
the high compression is achieved by use of turbo-charging not fixed by stroke. Bill USA Jul 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #22
in anticipation of possible comment re lobbying: National Corn growers: $370,000 in 2014, Oil Bill USA Jul 2015 #5
Yeah, I wonder who their funders are. nilram Jul 2015 #10
yeah, if in doubt that means it's definitely witchcraft. Best cover your eyes and not read it. Bill USA Jul 2015 #16
With fuel stabilizer added to every jug, my small engines do OK. appal_jack Jul 2015 #13
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