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Bill USA

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15. since 'we're' talking single cases here.. another study had two vehicles that did far
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 6, 2015, 04:57 PM - Edit history (3)

better than the average.

[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #000000;"]Wait: on edit. this is a study done by the Fuel Freedom Foundation. here's the link: http://www.fuelfreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/white-paper_GGE-Sept-2013.pdf

on average the several cars tested on E85 got 17% better fuel efficiency than the BTU content estimate predicts.

THe 2011 Chevrolet Impala 3.9 L V6, using E85, achieved 25.7% better fuel efficiency than the BTU content based estimate.
The 2007 Chevrolet Cobalt 2.2 L, using E85, achieved 37.1% better fuel efficiency than the fuel BTU content estimate.

But this was in cars of considerably lower compression ratio of 12 to 1. All they did was modify the spark timing to take advantage of ethanol's higher octane. There is also matters of piston design. Believe it or not, this can make a difference.

They were using E85 to get these improvements in fuel efficiency. You didn't specify but my guess is you were using E10.


the fact remains that the performance of the Chevy Impala and Cobalt show that it is possible to achieve much better fuel efficiency with ethanol if you set the engine up right - especially with proper spark timing (to take advantage of ethanol's higher octane) - to get much better fuel efficiency with ethanol than we currently are getting in current FFVs.



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I find this hard to believe. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #1
not only problems with water, but edgineered Jul 2015 #2
NASCAR and INDY car teams don't seem to mind using ethanol (Indy cars 100%, NASCAR: E15) Bill USA Jul 2015 #4
Sure, they don't run old fuel. edgineered Jul 2015 #6
Ethanol does absorb water. something that you have to keep in mind if there are breaks between uses. Bill USA Jul 2015 #8
The maintenance done by professional racers is different than consumers OakCliffDem Jul 2015 #12
many tests have been done with E10. They always show a mileage decrement barely discernable ~ 2%. Bill USA Jul 2015 #3
We have a 2014 ford Focus madokie Jul 2015 #7
since 'we're' talking single cases here.. another study had two vehicles that did far Bill USA Jul 2015 #15
Yes I was using the 10% blend madokie Jul 2015 #19
Even at 52mpg, my motorcycle gains nothing from higher octane. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #9
no engine will gain the benefits of higher octane fuel without proper timing and compression ratio Bill USA Jul 2015 #14
I've tested this over many tanks. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #11
this is a sample size of "1". But, as I said, nothing it being done to take advantage of ethanol's Bill USA Jul 2015 #17
3 MIT scientists designed a Direct Injection ethanol turbocharged engine: 25% better fuel efficicien Bill USA Jul 2015 #18
Ethanol injected as a knock suppressant into a high compression engine may yield benefits. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #20
the high compression is achieved by use of turbo-charging not fixed by stroke. Bill USA Jul 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #22
in anticipation of possible comment re lobbying: National Corn growers: $370,000 in 2014, Oil Bill USA Jul 2015 #5
Yeah, I wonder who their funders are. nilram Jul 2015 #10
yeah, if in doubt that means it's definitely witchcraft. Best cover your eyes and not read it. Bill USA Jul 2015 #16
With fuel stabilizer added to every jug, my small engines do OK. appal_jack Jul 2015 #13
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